Anger

It is not possible to be angry at another without also harboring anger at oneself.

And that is a problem because…?

Anger is destructive, and usually not in a good way.

HIdden self-angers represent a limit to consciousness.

All true, but destruction is taught to be necessary and good when “properly applied”.

Where would one necessarily and properly apply destructions of anger?

What? You don’t watch TV???
At the “bad guys” of course… [size=85]anyone not complying with the program.[/size]

Often anger is the escape from self-repression and/or depression.
It is the simple minded answer to frustration, easier than paying more attention to what you are trying to do, especially if you have been blessed with ADHD.

But then, if one were to get angry at one’s own propensity toward anger… 8-[

That requires sacrificing one’s own consciousness to become a weapon. This is what everyone does, it is what we are “trained” to do.

It rarely works out well. And even if it did, your own consciousness is a high price to pay for successful violence.

Well… just playing Devil’s advocate here…

Often people (much like FC) get overcome by being conditioned to be too concerned over other people’s issues, trying to satisfy too many people in too many ways. Such people back themselves into a repressed corner deep inside themselves and become LESS conscious of not only their own priorities, but even those other people’s priorities that they were attempting to appease.

Usually in such cases, the resolve is deep depression (suicide at times) and/or shotgun rage (no longer being able to discern which priority is greater). Those are the only two options for the bewildered mind that cannot discern a calmness that doesn’t lead to annihilation.

So in such a case, the anger relieves the repression and saves the person from potential suicide. And of course, such a sudden release from worry and frustration creates a catharsis event which ensures that it will be repeated. The cause of the repression, trying too hard to please those who can’t be pleased, is only temporarily diverted, not at all cured, much like taking drugs to feel better.

But then drugs really are recommended to suicide candidates and does create a temporary restoration of MORE consciousness.

You drastically misunderstand FC.

Yes anger is/can be a needed catharsis. My point with this OP was not to say one should never be angry, but that one should recognize in anger the elements of frustrated and embattled self. I’ve become more interested in deliberate anger, provoking it for fun to induce catharsis as desired. But this takes a lot of self-control and ability to see how one is affected by anger, and from where anger comes.

Anger can either be a vehicle to self-consciousness or a roadblock to it. Taking an objective look at your own anger in the ‘heat of the moment’ is a first step to transitioning from being used by anger to using it toward your own beneficial needs. I’ve personally seen anger destroy people, this can be avoided with a bit more philosophy - what laypeople call “patience”, “compassion” and “long-term thinking”.

Also interesting is what happens when you provoke others to anger. You get a very clear glimpse into their “true self”, the defense mechanisms go away and pure subjectivity shows.

So if someone is trying to rape me and in a rage I throw them off me, I actually hate myself?

Splitting up yourself into some bad emotions and the good rational mind and making the latter a guard of the former, cuts up consciousness. Anger can be a problem, obviously, but need not be.

It seems like the OP and the thread is arguing that we should be defense mechanisms. I can see how that benefits consciousness, though it might seem to in habitual shortterm evaluation.

Completely unsubstantiated. I’m angry at you for being lazy, and I’m not angry at myself at all. You see?

Anger is not necessarily destructive. It depends on what action the angry person takes, and probably on a lot of other things, like interpretations on what destruction is.

When someone says they’re not angry, and then you say, “yes you are, you’re just hiding it, and that limits your consciousness and therefore you are dumb”, then you’re dumb.

Still begging the question here. You start with the reasoning that anger is destructive, but you don’t deduct that from anywhere. You just assert it. You don’t substantiate it. I know that sometimes anger is not destructive, because sometimes I get angry and build things with leggos to calm down. Maybe that’s the answer to your question. You necessarily and properly apply your anger to leggos. Then your constructive. But you’re applying the anger to the leggos, not the “destruction of it” as you seem to type I don’t know why you typed that that way.

Dude did you learn English from Yoda?

Pure subjectivity? Holy. Fucking. Shit. What in the hell are you talking about?

It seems like you could have been more clear and said, “I like to poke at people and get on their nerves, because when they get upset over it, I feel like I’m having some kind of connection with the their true self”.

Then I’d be like, “That’s retarded. A person isn’t their true self when their being irritated. They’re being their irritated self. It sounds like you just enjoy irritating people.”

Highly unlikely.

Let’s keep things polite, in the hope of avoiding anger and keeping people talking rather than building lego, please.

I love a small, fringe group that just insists that the entire rest of the world is confused or doesn’t understand while they preach radical shit in disjointed sentences.

Anger, by definition, is the intent to destroy.

When used to construct, it is called “deferred anger” because the anger is used to inspire energy, but aimed away from the thing being constructed.

“God loves all people.”
“God hates all people.”

Both are equally true.

God creates Himself.
God Destroys Himself.

Both are equally true.