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So far, 2 dead, 16 wounded, shotgun this time.
What does wounded mean, you caught a couple ball bearings? I don’t know.
I suggest we re-classify shotguns as “Assault Weapons of War Terror” and blame the NRA.
As far as wounded goes, could be anything. I think they count people who fell down and banged their head on a chair while they were trying to escape. But being wounded by a shotgun is no joke!
So…, ban chairs?
I’ve seen a guy lose a lung, and 80% of his heart lining, and be denied a purple heart, but a woman in the back of a convo line in Iraq jumping off the back of the truck, hitting her head, got a purple heart.
It is why I despise most medals, and refused mine upon returning from Iraq… the underlining idea fir them are sound, but shoukd only be awarded on rare occasions so as not to cheapen them.
I think how we respond to guns follow just as bizarre a pattern. Can’t fault people who want a universal ban for at least being consistent, byt the ones nitpicking aspects come off as absurd at times, with the same extremes as noted in my medal example… safe guns can still seriously fuck you up while many dangerous guns can be used with minimal damage. Starts getting ify once you get to grenade launchers, but solid state bullets, Im generally not to worried about in terms of this type of gun vs that kind of pistol… both can fo about the same in the hands of a crazy.
Shotguns… they spiral out given most shot isnt a solid bullet, but a canister full of metal ball bearings designed to go all over. My smart bullet design would be worthless in a shotgun.
You can make pretty accurate shotgun shells if you use a sabot round with a plastic shell shaped to allow for stabilizer fins. A shotgun is never going to be a first choice for an ‘accurate at long range’ weapon, but a big non-rifled barrel allows for so many options.
There was a guy who shot himself at 400 yards with a shotgun to test if it would penetrate his homemade armor.
Long story short, the armor wasn’t too good, ended up going to the hospital.
Interesting video, but I can’t find it. Can someone find it for me?
I don’t know what a Sabot round is, but I recall watching a video on YouTube of a Italian made solid state shotgun shell with… was 9 fins… scorpion I think it was called. Inaccurate as fuck, tumbled randomly in the air at a weird trajectory each time. So bad, the demonstrator had to show his aim didn’t suck by using a different sort of shot.
I’m deeply opposed to such a projectile, as it isn’t reliant on skill and can do some complete randomness… like bouncing off your ribs and smacking a old lady ten feet off on the ricochet.
That is the big issue with my Bismuth based smart bullet, the first one, two, maybe three comes out just fine, but once the barrel heats up after that… I’m not certain if the Bismuth will just melt in the barrel (not hard to clean) or if the next bullet or two will fly deformed. Even then, I suspect any tumbling under 50 yards will cause only a very small degree of divergence. A magazine of melting rounds are a much better guarantee to stopping mass shootings, as anyone hunting or doing home defence would ration their shots, not overhearing the barrel… bismuth is still cleanable, like carbon, but is a pain in the ass… you can have a 50 Cal machine gun, your single round shooting it with long waits between so not to clog a barrel. Perfect for hunters (not bad hunters though requiring multiple shots).
Shit scraps clean. It is the one metal alternative I know of capable of stopping mass shootings if sold as civilian bullets (not military or cop). Make them cheap and easily available, they will in time supplant other metals for hunting and many forms of sports shooting… won’t destroy your gun, just cause you to clog it fast once the barrel gets too hot, unless you take your time. Think gun ranges will love it, cause they can sell the non-bismuth bullets direct for just on range.
Best solution for the current political divide, cheap as hell to effect. Everyone keeps their guns, however narily, and bullets are phased out. If you can’t shoot well enough to nail your opponent, be it a deer or a intruder, then spend some time on the range tlwith a instructor, I doubt anyone needs 6 30 round mags to nail a rapist breaking in. Two, three max is what is needed. Bithmus based bullets can do that.
A sabot round works on the same prinicple as an armor piercing anti-tank shell. You have a narrow, spike-shaped core made of a nigh-indestructible, very dense material. You surround that with a much less dense material, thus giving you highest possible muzzle velocity (due to high volume over weight) and highest possible penetration (due to high density over surface area of impact).
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So, those plastic bits stay with the slug until it escapes the barrel (because high volume to weight equals high muzzle velocity), then they blow off to the sides and the remaining hard metal plug flies alone to the target.
Those plastic bits can be shaped to allow the slug within to have fins. Obviously you can’t just fire something with fins through a barrel without the plastic shell, the fins woudl destroy the barrel, snap off, w/e. And it’s still not going to be as accurate as a bullet fired from a rifled barrel. Maybe they suck, I’ve never fired one. But it’s a thing that exists.
You can get a similar sort of effect by opening up a standard shotgun shell and pouring in hot wax to suspend the shot in.
Is Bismuth really going to melt in the mere instant it is travelling through a hot barrel, but not melt in the magazine as the over all gun heats up? What about the heat the projectile picks up just from flying through the air at the speed of sound? Will the first shot not just turn to goo from that? This math is beyond me.
Just watch some Bismuth videos on YouTube.
If you shoot a full 20 round magazine in a M4, and touch the barrel, it will burn you, easily the melting point for melting bismuth. And yes, while it is a metal, it comes off like scraping carbon on a old Teflon pan… cleaning tools can easily be made.
Any gunsmith could make the bullets, attached to brass. Many have used it for centuries to make molds for bullets, but it never made sense to use it as bullets itself cause, it is highly impractical for combat.
The market goes with what is available. If we tax normal bullets up high (unless purchased on a range, and the brass must he weighed afterwards to make certain people aren’t smuggling it) and sell the Bismuth bullets at fair market value, within a couple of years most people wouldn’t be able to afford the old bullets, unless bought some place like Canada or smuggled out if Europe.
I think gun ranges, ran by clubs, can pass the extra scrutiny and storage requirements to keep untaxed (or normal taxed ammo) and military has weighed shells for years to make sure the stuff isn’t being smuggled. Some of my worst memories of Alaska is trying to dig out brass at the end of a firing range day, seeing the brass sink into the ice… having to chip it out so some supply guy could weigh it. It it was too far off, you had to go back and dig for them some more.
You can practice firing single shots, with colling pauses. I’m sure someone will come out with a thermal gadge for rifle barrels eventually if my idea catches on, so the shooter knows when to fire and be less likely to fuck his barrel up.
So you can shoot home defence, using whatever rifle, military or not, mass shootings only will occur when people can find or smuggle the old weapons. Won’t do shit to stop a highway sniper… bismuth won’t melt the first time out of a barrel.
You can use small metal cores, like Spools in a lock, to balance the weight out, giving it a sharp point for longer range… as long as the surface outside the apex is bismuth, it should melt into liquid if someone is going Rambo.
I’m the first to advocate this, so it sounds weird… but I think the physics are on my side. Bad hunters will hate this, good hunters won’t care… you can use full bismuth, layer alloys (outside more pure) or have a lead spool core.
This is what a lock spool looks like, simple to make, mist snipers who make their own bullets and balance them can easily make them from a locksmith pin set, but setting it in a drill, spinning them and cutting into them at the side with a dremel. They might dislike the idea at first, but would be the first to pioneer how to keep them aerodynamic and accurate. I think many a sniper would be able to start homemade Bismuth bullet factories… usually we frown on mass proliferation of bullets bring made everywhere, but think this is a much better alternative. I seriously doubt the Orlando shooter could of shot all those people with a clogged up barrel.
I’m a expert at clogging my barrels, ask any squad leader I ever had, to their exasperation. It comrs naturally to me, and I think if everyone gets behind me, I can clog your barrels too. Such a bullet would of sounded crazy before, would never recommend police or army follow suit… people should be able to use the real stuff in gun ranges at a reasonable prices… if you really want the real shit, be prepared to pay a boatload for taxes added to them if not at a range.
That solves constitutional issues and allows everyone to own whatever kind of rifle they want, without jumping through absurd liberal limitations on gun construction. Don’t Co from the guns, control the type of bullets used. Bismuth is plentiful, and doesn’t require a high melting point, so anyone can experiment.
This is how a philosopher solves a tough issue.
So… these are spools:
Different melting point than bismuth. You can get a couple thousand measures to .003 of a centimeter.
Just put it in a drill, like it was a drill bit, spin it, cut into it, angle the tip.
Then take your Bismuth, melt it on the stove:
Pour it in a cast with the spoof set, let it harden, set it back in a drill, Polish it slowly.
You got a bullet. This is for sophisticated long range bullets, used by hunters. Average guy needing a pistol for home defence can use less laborsome bullets (likely cheaper) for a pistol. If you go crazy with the trigger it will jam… so will make people reconsider a drive by, cause if you don’t get the first few pops into them, they got all the time in the world to shoot back.
And Bismuth isn’t toxic, used even in pepto-bismo… you get shot in the stomach, might cure that stomach ache of yours. It us going to be a bitch to clean, but can be done. The metal is like stubborn plastic afterwards, scrap it off. Some special cleaning tools will be required. Hell, popping it into the oven could make it go liquid… flush it out.
So people will hate me for this, but it really should work. It destroys the gun battle between the right and the left.
Turd a sabot is just a thing that holds the slug in place inside a shotgun shell. Weren’t you in the military? Don’t you claim to have some weapons training?
I had a shotgun along with a rifle, not everyone gets a shotgun. I got one round to train with prior to Iraq.
I honestly don’t much care for shotguns, the tactics behind them suck… three things they are used for… 1) Breach Doors… but too many people are killed by shooting through a lock, like unsuspecting little kids hearing a noise. 2) To Piss off troop convoys… the scatter effect can hit a whole track carrying light infantry in the back if fired far enough back from it. 3) To kill signaling birds… which is ultimately what happened with my shotgun when I lent out my stuff.
I don’t hold them in high regard and think they are stuoid for home defence unless your using non-lethals first. In regard to the shells, I never read up on the nomrnclature, I have cut into shells, seen what they are made uo, seen picture tutorials for modifying them. I cant say the specifics for names though, as shotguns are a very low priority for me. They are a joke of a weapon, great if up ckose, but hate the scattering b-ball effect, feels like I’m carrying a pump action claymore mine, except it puts out way less damage. Hard to do surgical hits just to debilitate someone.
Have you ever actually cast a bullet? Is your only experience with guns from being in the military? Who the hell would use a spoon for that? Slowly polishing it? It wouldn’t be worth a shit in anything auto-loading. Jam city man. You should use these instead…
Speaking of non-lethals…I used to keep a taurus judge w/ a short barrel in the nightstand with 5 shots of .410 rubber buckshot in it. Excellent for home defense.
We already talked about that.