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CEOs hire the talent, then fire the talent, then replaced the talent with software-systems and now AI, coz… they don’t need ‘the talent’ anymore.
The ‘talent’ being the weak link in the armour, in the greater scheme of things.
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Yes.
And if you’ll pardon my use of an over-used cliché, I believe what is taking place is more along the lines of the slow boiling frog that doesn’t realize it’s being cooked until it’s too late.
Again, the irony is not lost on me that I’m using AI to assist me in these arguments, but I once again asked ChatGPT a few more questions pertaining to this issue (some bolding and one correction of an insignificant word in a question, mine)…
Me:
Can you provide a rough estimate as to how many wage-paying jobs that humans once performed in order to earn a living, that have now been taken over by AI and robotics?ChatGPT:
It’s difficult to pinpoint an exact number, but studies suggest that AI and robotics have replaced millions of wage-paying jobs globally, particularly in manufacturing, logistics, and administrative roles.Key Estimates & Trends:
- Manufacturing & Industrial Jobs:
- The International Federation of Robotics (IFR) reported that over 3.5 million industrial robots were in operation globally by 2022, automating jobs in car manufacturing, electronics assembly, and food production.
- In the U.S., an estimated 1.7 million manufacturing jobs were lost to automation between 2000 and 2020.
- Retail & Service Sector Jobs:
- Self-checkout kiosks and AI-driven customer service bots have displaced hundreds of thousands of cashiers and customer support representatives.
- Amazon’s cashier-less “Just Walk Out” stores, along with other AI-driven retail technologies, continue to reduce retail jobs.
- Transportation & Logistics:
- AI-powered warehouse robots (like those used by Amazon) have eliminated over 500,000 warehousing and fulfillment jobs globally.
- Autonomous trucks and delivery bots are in testing, with potential to displace millions of drivers in the coming decades.
- Office & Administrative Jobs:
- AI-powered tools like chatbots, data entry automation, and AI-powered document review have replaced hundreds of thousands of jobs in customer support, accounting, and legal document processing.
Overall Impact:
- A 2019 Oxford Economics report estimated that up to 20 million manufacturing jobs worldwide could be lost to automation by 2030.
- The World Economic Forum (WEF) in 2020 predicted that automation could displace 85 million jobs by 2025, but would also create 97 million new roles.
- McKinsey estimated in 2017 that 30% of tasks in 60% of all occupations could be automated.
Conclusion:
While millions of jobs have already been taken over by AI and robotics, new jobs in AI maintenance, software development, and hybrid human-AI roles are emerging. The long-term balance between job loss and job creation remains a key debate.
Me:
As per your “conclusion,” isn’t it a looming possibility that the new jobs you mentioned, which consist of “…AI maintenance and software development…,” might also be taken over by AI and robotics?ChatGPT:
Yes, that is a very real possibility. AI is already demonstrating capabilities in self-improvement, code generation, and even basic robotics maintenance, which raises concerns about whether the very jobs created by automation will eventually be automated as well.
Chat said more, but you get the point.
Keeping in mind that AI is still in its infancy, the bottom line is that it is not a matter of how cool and “space-agey” it would be to have robots doing our jobs for us,…
…no, it is a matter of “practicality” and “common sense,”…
…both of which are screaming that the billions of humans presently alive on this planet (with billions more on the way) need to have a way of earning the funds they need (at least in our present social structures) to not only survive and procreate,…
…but also to purchase whatever it is that the freakin’ robots are creating.
And that’s because anyone with at least two working braincells knows good and well that the owners of the robots (i.e., the rich and greedy Trumps and Musks of the world) aren’t simply going to give it away.
This is exactly what is happening. I believe it has been designed and intended like this, to slow boil the human masses into a new order and type of system. “You will own nothing and be happy.”
Imagine when Muskrat’s neuralink is in the heads of most people, and they are interacting with AI not by typing or speaking but simply by thinking. Ponder, if you will, the consequences of that. Then ask, who benefits? Hmm, who benefits from the technological enslavement and total control of the human population? Those within the upper echelons of the technological order, it would seem, who know what these technologies are doing and who will choose to limit their use among themselves, or create different interactive systems and controls when it comes to their own personal use. Like how celebrities were faking getting the covid jabs.
Her (2013)
What’s yourVibe?
A Spike Jonze love story.
Overview
In the not so distant future, Theodore, a lonely writer, purchases a newly developed operating system designed to meet the user’s every need. To Theodore’s surprise, a romantic relationship develops between him and his operating system. This unconventional love story blends science fiction and romance in a sweet tale that explores the nature of love and the ways that technology isolates and connects us all.
In the science fiction books by British author Neal Asher, he explores these ideas. In his scifi world, humans have ceded most control to AIs. The AIs are sentient beings run in silicon crystals etched at the atomic level, and control pretty much everything from military to economics to courts. But humans are largely free to self-determine and live however they want. It is like a libertarian-leaning interpretation while the AIs tend to establish a more right-wing light system of punishment for crimes, basically no liberal softness about “well they were discriminated against and had a hard life, that is why they stole and ended up killing that person”, the crime is simply dealt with at the level of the crime itself without excuses. A murderer is killed, and his body is then given to someone else who is waiting for a new body. Oh yeah, people can upload their minds into a ‘soul bank’ and be reborn in new bodies, or cloned bodies, or into artificial golem robotic chassis.
The idea is pretty cool, of largely benevolent and mostly disinterested AIs running the human polity across space, some humans working with the AIs in government and military for example, while most humans just chill out or do jobs just to have something to do, or explore the far edges of space. In this world, the AIs are mostly curious about humans and know that humans have something ineffable which the AIs do not have, even though the AIs are near infinitely more powerful in thinking than humans are. The AIs look at humans are partners but also as a kind of protected species that needs guidance and limitations. The AIs also have strict moral rules and a hierarchy of authority, with a central Earth AI in charge of all lesser AIs. Of course, the AIs keep their secrets from humans and sometimes bend or break their own rules. But noticeably, they do not try to exterminate humanity… some AIs come to the conclusion that humans suck and should be killed, why even work with them? But those AIs are allowed to leave the polity and seek their futures elsewhere in the galaxy, unless they become violent in which case they are hunted down.
The movie Her is already reality. This already exists. Exactly as shown in the film (except for the easy seamless integration across multiple digital platforms and devices, but that will come).
You can already get your own Scarlett Johannsen voice patterned AI girlfriend on your phone, she can see through your camera and talk to you. Respond to your voice, do pretty much whatever you want. Then you can “fall in love” with her just like in the movie.
Incels of the world, unite.
For two points, what philosopher, if alive today, would say something like this about the present state of philosophy:
For two thousand years, humans have argued nonsense with each other. In the next hundred years, they will be arguing nonsense with robots as well.
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“Her raises questions about the future of technology and its impact on human relationships, promoting viewers to reflect on the role of technology in our lives and the importance of human love and connection.”
When there was a fallout of one of these fake human AI companies it was likened to a “lobotomy” and akin to losing a human partner.
I suppose there is good and bad just like social media, but AI cannot replace a human, they are just too complex.
The irony is lost on you that the AI is telling you something in the artwork.
AI cannot 100% replace a human, but it can replace a human to a good enough extent. For some people. This is a concept in the AI field and philosophy of technology research, “good enough”. It means that perfect copying isn’t needed, you only need to have it be good enough to get an authentic response from a human. And we are basically there already.
Many people won’t go for it because they will crave and want real human relationships. But many people WILL go for it, for whatever reason. Loneliness, desperation, curiosity, laziness. And some people are just more hardwired to accept and interact with technology in these more emotional, ‘authentic’ ways.
As human generations continue to be born and grow up with this sort of technology ubiquitous around them, how do you think that will impact their psychology and ontological state? Their ability to develop normally and to be able to (and want to) form intimate trusting and dependent connections on other human beings?
You and I are free to reject this new sort of tech, but we are not the target audience. Gen z and Alpha are the targets.
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I think that those types of stories ignore the possibility that there already exists a “Super-Intelligence” presiding over the universe.
I’m talking about a Super-Intelligence that is responsible for the creation of the very setting that, without which, humans and AI could never have come into existence in the first place.
I have often stated that the scope and consciousness of whatever it is that is responsible for the creation of the unfathomable order of the universe would make us humans seem like “amoebas” in comparison.
Well, in the case of the “…infinitely more powerful…” thinking abilities of future AIs, perhaps instead of being the equivalent of amoebas when compared to that higher Entity, the future AIs would rise to the level of “flies” in comparison (more impressive, but still only “flies”).
The point being that no matter what’s taking place here in the universe between humans and AI, there will always be something far greater (far more intelligent) in control of the ultimate destiny of humans.
And addressing the bit about the AIs knowing that humans seem to have “…something ineffable which the AIs do not have,…”
…I suggest that that would be the human “soul.”
And that is something that, allegedly, has been “…created in the image of…” the living “SUPER SOUL” of this universe (i.e., that “Super-Intelligence”) mentioned earlier.
I guess the ultimate point is that unless the Creator of the universe is going to switch the method of replicating itself from this…
…to this…
…then I think that humans will always have the more purposeful advantage over AI.
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What evidence or reasons do you have to believe in the existence of this ‘super-intelligence’ guiding human destiny?
I cannot provide any “evidence” for why I believe in the existence of said Being.
However, I wrote an extensive OP in the Philosophy Now site detailing my “reason” for why I believe.
The thread is titled:
“My “Burning Bush-like” encounter with God”
If you are interested, then here is a link to that thread:
https://forum.philosophynow.org/viewtopic.php?p=685773#p685773
Btw, I suggest that any sort of irrefutable evidence for the existence of God and the “afterlife” is forbidden.
Indeed, we’ve discussed this before, and you agreed with me that such information needs to be kept hidden from humans for fear of what you yourself acknowledged in that prior conversation…
Well. Glad one of us is trying.
Also I never click on links, but feel free to post some content from your other site here, so I can read it. If you care enough.
Otherwise, we cool brother. 
break on through to the otherside!
Never???
So, am I to understand that you found this ILP site a few years back without clicking on a link in your browser?
That’s okay, I get it. You have your reasons.
You probably already know this, however, just to be clear, the link I provided takes you to a page where you verify that you’re not a bot, and then goes directly to the OP I created in a philosophy discussion forum (pretty much like this one) that is managed by the London publishers of the international philosophy magazine called: “Philosophy Now”
And if you haven’t already done so in the past, then a person of your thinking skills, insights, and pugilistic approach to debate, might enjoy posting over there in addition to ILP (for like here, things get a bit dull over there with the same old batch of lunatics 
).
I’ve been doing that, but that particular OP is extremely long (it took seven separate and lengthy posts to launch), and it would be a bit of a challenge to replicate it here (though I may change my mind about that).
Anyway, there’s no pressure; you do what you like.
I was just trying to fulfill your request to provide you with the “reason” why I believe in the existence of that “Super-Intelligence” mentioned earlier.
Well Ive already heard that ‘philosophy now’ was a shit site, but I never visited so I cant say for sure. Yet you are here, so. Meh.
I just want you to substantiate your claims and most more interesting things here. That is all I care about. If you can prove me or any position I am espousing wrong by doing so I am happy. If we just continue the good exchanges of dialogue then I am also happyy.
If you just refer to some writing somewhere else withgout bothering to share it here, then… meh. I would call that some kind of fallacy. Or at least lazy.
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What is society when you remove the human element out of it replacing it entirely with a sterile mechanical and technological barren wasteland in replacement? It eventually stops being human entirely becoming something else unrecognizable where all forms of familiarity is long gone.
You’re not missing out on anything other than a bunch of so called neoliberals smelling each other’s anuses where if you don’t tow the political party line at that website they censor your posts and threads deleting them giving you mass warnings until they ban you permanently. They even have grammar nazis there where if you don’t write posts perfectly in terms of grammatical sentence structure they go after you for that as well. Me personally, I don’t care about how something is written, I care more about the mental substance of what is being written, but that’s what you get with a bunch of conforming institutional worshippers and idolators. A bunch of people afraid to go out of boundaries they’re all too comfortable with. Such people dare call themselves philosophers, thinkers, or revolutionaries, it’s all too funny.
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