Are there any Trump supporters in this forum?

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I’m a Republican. I’m dumbfounded by the fact that someone like Donald Trump is the GOP front-runner, and I’d like to understand why.

Are there any Trump supporters in this forum? If so, please explain why you support him. Also, I’ll explain here why I won’t ever support him.

Below is a statement made by Dr. Everett Piper, President of Oklahoma Wesleyan University (in response to reporters who asked if he would also be having Donald Trump speak to his student body).

This man eloquently states what I wanted to say and more.
(If you’re not religious, just read the underlined parts.)

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Jerry Falwell, Jr. welcomed Donald Trump to Liberty University to speak in the school’s chapel and I have been asked by the media if I would be next: Will I be inviting Mr. Trump to Oklahoma Wesleyan University to speak in our chapel service? My answer has been simple and brief. No, I will not. Frankly, Donald Trump simply doesn’t represent OKWU’s behavioral, theological, moral or political ideals.

“But, we need to defeat Hillary Clinton and Bernie Sanders,” many have said: “Your criticism of Trump only helps them. You need to stop attacking those on ‘our side!’”

My response:

“Anyone who is pro-abortion is not on my side. Anyone who calls women “pigs,” “ugly,” “fat” and “pieces of a–” is not on my side. Anyone who mocks the handicapped is not on my side.

Anyone who has argued the merits of a government takeover of banks, student loans, the auto industry and healthcare is not on my side. Anyone who has been on the cover of Playboy and proud of it, who brags of his sexual history with multiple women and who owns strip clubs in his casinos is not on my side.

Anyone who believes the government can wrest control of the definition of marriage from the church is not on my side. Anyone who ignores the separation of powers and boasts of making the executive branch even more imperial is not on my side.

I’m a conservative. I believe in conserving the dignity of life. I believe in conserving respect for women. I believe in conserving the Constitution. I believe in conserving private property, religious liberty and human freedom. I believe in morality more than I do in money. I hold to principles more than I yearn for power.

I trust my Creator more than I do human character. I’d like to think that all this, and more, makes me an informed and thoughtful citizen and voter. I’ve read, I’ve listened and I’ve studied and there is NOTHING, absolutely nothing, in this man’s track record that makes Donald Trump “on my side.”

I refuse to let my desire to win “trump” my moral compass. I will not sell my soul or my university’s to a political process that values victory more than virtue …

No, Donald Trump will not be speaking at Oklahoma Wesleyan University.”

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It seems to be a reflexive thing. We voted for GOP in landslide victories the past 2 midterms, dominate the House and Senate more completely than any time in over a century, and yet the people that got in aren’t doing jack shit to advance the things they were put in their to do. Still have Obamacare, Planned Parenthood funded, shying away from anything and everything if the Pres threatens a government shut down. People supporting Trump don’t want another politician for president that seems like the same old crap as last time that made a bunch of promises and didn’t actually deliver.

Conservatives are also tired of being called racist, sexist, bigots etc. for every little thing, and tired of being represented by people who cower and apologize whenever the left trots out that tired tactic.

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I agree with Uccisore. I’m a paleoconservative, not a conservative or a Republican, but lean towards their arguments more than Democratic ones.

I’m not impressed with Trump, but something has to be done, a sledgehammer of sorts to the establishment. Obamacare isn’t thought out, and is absurdly expensive and not to mention, unconstitutional. That past part especially irritates me, our largest bit of financial legislation was passed without legal representation, house of representatives didn’t write that. I don’t know why all of a sudden we gotta give up on the key piece of legislation that formed and legitimized the foundation of the country.

I’m equally unimpressed with Sanders. Trump needs to demolish ObamaCare, Bernie Sanders simply put won’t be able to keep it, all the powers of the presidency under consideration, if the two houses of Congress say no. A compromise will gave to be reached, preferably with a legal medical system in place.

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Yeah, I should reiterate that I don’t happen to support Trump, in case that wasn’t clear. I prefer him to either of the Democrat nominees, and will hold my nose and vote for him over them if that’s the way it shakes out, but of the GOP nominees, I preferred basically everybody but Bush and Kasich to Trump, and that includes the people who have since dropped out.

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I’m still for Carson. Only way I would promote a presidential candidate door to door is if Carson is either their VP or Surgeon General pick.

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People are tired of the same old shit and either fail to recognize new forms of poop or would prefer that the shit at least be new. Hence SAnders is in there also on ‘the other side’. He likely feels like a walking id to many on the right, Trump that is. Saying stuff they would at least like to be able to say. He is catharsis blabbing. He also represents privitization, rather than simply advocates it. To pick him is to privitize government, in the man. Conservatives can outsource away from politicians and that likely feels party-aligned and sticking it to someone, even if it is not clear whom. You have a nation filled with people whose fairly tales, teaching tales, morality tales, myths and fables are movies. John Wayne, Bruce Willis. It’s Concervatice Hollywood hero on a bad hair day but over Willis he at least has hair. Trump triggers the archtypes, the cop who tells it like it is, does not follow protocol but will kill the bad guy and even if he has been a lousy father, his daugher, caughy by the eco-terrorist german rapist bank robber will realize that daddy saved her and only he could and he also blew up that asteroid.
They get hollywood triggered by Trump and they know how the movie goes.
I will bet popcorn sales for home use have gone up despite the economy.
(needless to say the left is right now sucking on organic num nums in the same multiplex)

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Yeah, I like Carson. I like Cruz. I really liked Fiorina.

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Why her?

She seemed a bit Bidenish… I can see her becoming vice president.

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about.me/don.rondeau
I have been reading up on candidates. So far this guy looks the best but, he does not have millions of dollars backing him. We need to change how candidates are allowed to run. We are not allowed right now to see the best or all.

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I vote emergency powers to Trixie Z., only through Trixie shall this nation be saved.

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There is a lot of difference in rethoric and actual ground Implementations, especially in the politics. Just like stock market, elections discount only future, and are decided on only two factors; either promised hopes or up coming fears.

So, at the end of the day, winning or losing elections depends on what the majority of the voters like to hear at any given time and circumstances, and which candidate/party offers more hopes or fear. As a thumb rule, hope attracts more voters in good times while fear in bad times. Smart (read shrewd) know how to play this game. Trump is trying to encash the fear right now, and that is precisely why he is popular, which is surprising many people.

All are almost the same. Politicians very rarely try to challenge the imcumbent system and dare to change the course. That is even more applicable in the case of US.

I do not think that after getting elected, there is much difference in actual ground implementations in US policies, either internally or internationally by any winning candidate. Both parties and their candidates would act more or less the same. The difference is only in what is said to the voters before elections. US voters should not live in this illusion that Trump would be much different from what Obama was during last 8 years, or what Hilary Clinton would be. Trump would continue policies like Obamacare in the same way as Obama all along continued Bush policies about Afghanistan, Pakistan, Iraq etc.

People use to have very short memory. How many US voters now remember how strongly Obama criticized Bush foreign policies? If he took a step back in Iraq, he pushed Bush legacy many steps further in Afghanistan and and Pakistan.

Having said that, if one stiil has the compulsion to choose, Hillary is one candidate that should be avoided by all means. She should not be at the White House. She is a cunning, selfish and money minded lady, who did not break from her red handed cought cheating husband just because that she can also become president one day. Presidency was in her mind from that very time. Even considering all his useless rethoric, Trump is still many times better than her, though I have very sincere doubts that he would be able to become the final Republican choice.

All other candidates are almost the same barring minor differences. People can choose according to their liking/disliking.

With love,
Sanjay

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Just debates. Seemed like every time she opened her mouth she said something that made me want to clap and really struck me as intelligent. The 10 page tax code seemed pretty far-fetched I suppose, but I liked her boldness on social issues, she was a major tax reformer like some of the others while seemed to have her head on straight about foreign policy, and tactically Hillary Clinton would stand even less of a chance running against another woman.

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Anarchists don’t vote. Screw this plutocratic oligarchy rigged election.

I am voting for global economic collapse and world war 2016. See you on the other side bitchez. :stuck_out_tongue:

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Have fun human herd at the slaughterhouse. I’ll see you all on the other side with a knife and fork at hand.

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K: Fiorina big deal was she was CEO of a company, I want to say HP,
and she totally and completely fucked over HP. She was voted worst
CEO in America 3 years in a row and the day she was fired, yep, fired,
the stock of the company went up over 100% because she was gone.
I live north of silicon valley and have friends who work in the business
and she and Whitman were two of the worst CEO’s in the tech business.

Kropotkin

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You’ve got a pre-written paragraph just like that for everybody running or who theoretically could run as a Republican, so what do I care?

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Ucc, don’t let your right wing fanboyness prevent you from at least acknowledging facts. Is there anything that you can’t blind yourself to in the name of your cliche thought process and canned beliefs about politics?

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He supported one of the fringe candidates, how us this evidence of canned beliefs? Most people don’t agree with his instincts, and he says he was won over by her arguments.

This means he more than likely isn’t mainstream, was up to bring swayed. This isn’t your typical, party monolith supporter. Ucci makes his own choices. In this election, looks like more and more people are doing so, just slapping the D or R in front of a candidate. Those party terms are rather meaningless this election cycle.

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Whatever you say buddy.