Argument regarding physics

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Hi all,

Argument
Physics as a science, progresses as follows:
1.There is a current theory, at any given time.
2.A candidate theory, which is more exact regarding what really is happening appears from research as a proposed new theory.
3. Experiments have to be conducted to verify the new theory.
4. When experiments are conducted, they can have the following results.
5. Nothing happens, the experiments fail to show any results, which has happened in the past.
6. Something happens, the experiments had the expected results, which has happened in the past, and science keeps following its path.
7. Something else happens…which was the case with some previous experiments…or else we wouldn’t be looking for a new theory, as then all experiments would point only to something, and nothing else…but up to now, this isn’t the case, and the future still hap pens next, and not before next happens.
8. What seems to be happening, is that before people actually make things in their lives that do something…they make things that don’t do something exactly…and they find that early at best, or late at worst…but the complete story they all know from the beginning, pretty consistently, it seems to me…as it could be the case with the argument I am making here and below.

And all the above in summary is
AXIOM: In any experiment conducted in reality, nothing can happen as a result, some thing can happen as a result, or…something else can happen as a result.
This is an axiom that seems consistent and complete to me, and I dare say…logical. Isn’t it?

Well what if it is?
"The consistency of axioms cannot be proven within their own system.” (google the phrase)
So, what?.. let’s write something below as well…

Systems, axioms and consistency
A system which has axioms for itself, in order for the system to call them axioms for itself, the system has to have a consistent behavior around those axioms and so when it behaves inconsistently with regard to those axioms, the inconsistency between those axioms and the system’s behavior the system can prove to itself.
If what is written above is false, then when a system behaves inconsistently with regard to some axioms it has for itself, that inconsistency it cannot prove to itself, and it keeps behaving inconsistently with regard to those axioms…but…
if the system keeps behaving inconsistently with regard to some axioms and cannot prove to itself that it does so with regard to those axioms, then it doesn’t seem to me it can consistently keep regarding them as axioms for the system, and then something else replaces them, and that something else is what the system calls axioms for itself.

So, what about what mathematicians wrote?

1. When one counts phrases with numbers mathematicians…
When one counts phrases with numbers mathematicians, one doesn’t end up with a phrase that makes sense for humans at any time in their history up to now, because if you mathematicians REALLY think otherwise…
When one counts phrases with numbers mathematicians, one can end up with a phrase that makes sense for humans at some time in their history up to now, but if you mathematicians think this REALLY makes sense to you…
If in the end mathematicians, when one counts phrases with numbers mathematicians, one can end up with a phrase that makes sense for humans at some time in their history up to now, then it doesn’t seem to me that all humans up to now throughout their history made sense by talking to one another honestly and not only by counting one another with numbers without any regard to honesty ever spoken…does it seem to you mathematicians?

2. When numbers happen before words happen, mathematicians, and the rest ones…
When numbers happen before words happen, words don’t make sense after numbers happen, or else
When numbers happen before words happen, words can make sense after numbers happen, but…
If in the end when numbers happen before words happen, words can make sense after numbers happen, then it doesn’t seem to me now what numbers where counting before, that is worth saying…does it seem to you?

3. When numbers happen after words happen, all…
When numbers happen after words happen, words make sense before numbers happen, or else
When numbers happen after words happen, words don’t make sense before numbers happen, but…
If in the end when numbers happen after words happen, words don’t make sense before numbers happen, then it doesn’t seem to me now that numbers make sense to happen after those specific words…does it seem to you?

So what?..let’s summarize…

Mathematicians…
in order to remain alive, you have to keep breathing…and this is an axiom for your system…that you can prove consistently throughout your entire life…
so breathe idiots…breathe…

isn’t it funny?

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I’m just going to put this to you very simply.

You’re a troll. You need to be smart and intellectually honest to survive on ILP. This is not rarified air. It’s about the genius of simplicity and non contradiction.

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This is a conclusion players, not an argument…if you want to reply make an argument…

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here we go again in smaller chunks…

Argument
Physics as a science, progresses as follows:
1.There is a current theory, at any given time.
2.A candidate theory, which is more exact regarding what really is happening appears from research as a proposed new theory.
3. Experiments have to be conducted to verify the new theory.
4. When experiments are conducted, they can have the following results.
5. Nothing happens, the experiments fail to show any results, which has happened in the past.
6. Something happens, the experiments had the expected results, which has happened in the past, and science keeps following its path.
7. Something else happens…which was the case with some previous experiments…or else we wouldn’t be looking for a new theory, as then all experiments would point only to something, and nothing else…but up to now, this isn’t the case, and the future still hap pens next, and not before next happens.
8. What seems to be happening, is that before people actually make things in their lives that do something…they make things that don’t do something exactly…and they find that early at best, or late at worst…but the complete story they all know from the beginning, pretty consistently, it seems to me…as it could be the case with the argument I am making here and below.

And all the above in summary is
AXIOM: In any experiment conducted in reality, nothing can happen as a result, some thing can happen as a result, or…something else can happen as a result.
This is an axiom that seems consistent and complete to me, and I dare say…logical. Isn’t it?

Well what if it is?
"The consistency of axioms cannot be proven within their own system.” (google the phrase)
So, what?..

read the full text to find out what…

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When something makes sense to be said or done, something makes sense to be said or done over and over in reality, or else…

When something makes sense to be said or done, something doesn’t make sense to be said or done over and over in reality, but…

If in the end, when something makes sense to be said or done, something doesn’t make sense to be said or done over and over in reality, then it doesn’t seem to me that the specific time something is said or done makes senses to happen in reality over and over…does it seem to you?

Sure here’s an example
an accident makes sense to be done once,
but after an accident happens it doesn’t make sense to be done over and over in reality.

Why does an accident make sense to be done in reality?
Because reality had to really solve the problem of having living beings freely make sense of reality around them in a fun way for them regardless of the space and time they live, so that when they are not having fun in reality because don’t make sense and accidents happen, to help them not make the same accidents happen over and over, as that doesn’t really make sense to happen over and over, in reality.

But what if an accident never made sense to be done in reality?
If an accident never made sense to be done in reality, anything living in that reality can never cause accidents, or in other words anything living in that reality always makes sense in the way it behaves all the time, or in other words anything living in that reality is never free to choose to behave insensibly, or in others words the difference between the behavior of dead stuff and living beings in that reality is zero, both are one and the same, or in other words you are imagining stuff and this isn’t the reality you really live in.

No?

Reality is happening in a fun way for you,
and you can’t imagine how that is in a fun way for you, because…
…you don’t really know how to have fun in reality.
You think what you imagine is exactly happening…well…it’s not that exactly…
…it’s something else.

I am pretty confident that something else than anything I can imagine seems to be happening around me in reality, since I was born in this reality that remained unchanged, but…
…what did change is how confident I am that something else than anything the rest of you humans can imagine seems to be happening around you in reality, as you don’t really seem to me to be able to make sense of reality in a fun way for humans…
…if you read some human history, does it seem to you humans?

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it is :slight_smile:

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follow the money then…

What?
A solution for a problem is easy to verify that it solves that problem, or else you’d have more problems, but a problem doesn’t have to be easy to solve.
For example what money really does in the economy, isn’t an easy problem to solve, but it is easy to verify the solution to that problem.

Why?
Imagine you do the same thing with the same amount of money twice from its beginning until its end , but one of the times that it takes you more time and effort.
Would you choose again and again to do it when it takes you more time and effort to do it with the same amount of money, doing the same thing?

How?
facebook.com/AlexandrosTsolis/

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In the past, I have done more of the same thing, over and over, for the same amount of money, because I didn’t think I could survive if I stopped. That is how it is for a lot of humans. But if all humans stopped, the machine would stop. If they stopped long enough, the machine wouldn’t be able to start again. But everyone would die once the automated systems fail and everything is toxic.

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Keep imagining stuff player, something else keeps happening around you in reality since the beginning of reality. Why? Read again what you wrote player, but…

if you want to reply to me…

What?
A solution for a problem is easy to verify that it solves that problem, or else you’d have more problems, but a problem doesn’t have to be easy to solve.
For example what money really does in the economy, isn’t an easy problem to solve, but it is easy to verify the solution to that problem.

Why?
Imagine you do the same thing with the same amount of money twice from its beginning until its end , but one of the times that it takes you more time and effort.
Would you choose again and again to do it when it takes you more time and effort to do it with the same amount of money, doing the same thing?

How?
https://www.facebook.com/AlexandrosTsolis/

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You’re right, player. It was just an imagination. Void. And we both know the image of what we can’t imagine is not void and cannot be voided.

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Keep imagining stuff player, something else keeps happening around you in reality since the beginning of reality. Why? Read again what you wrote player, but…

if you want to reply to me…

What?
A solution for a problem is easy to verify that it solves that problem, or else you’d have more problems, but a problem doesn’t have to be easy to solve.
For example what money really does in the economy, isn’t an easy problem to solve, but it is easy to verify the solution to that problem.

Why?
Imagine you do the same thing with the same amount of money twice from its beginning until its end , but one of the times that it takes you more time and effort.
Would you choose again and again to do it when it takes you more time and effort to do it with the same amount of money, doing the same thing?

How?
facebook.com/AlexandrosTsolis/

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The solution is to choose the original image.

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The original image of the universe had to be made before you existed player, so you player did not choose the original image, or else you could have chosen better actions and words for you than what you wrote player.

You didn’t even argue regarding the original image here player, as usual you just wrote your opinion without arguing…

You can make a thread of your own and put your opinions there player, here you gotta argue…

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Keep imagining stuff player, something else keeps happening around you in reality since the beginning of reality. Why? Read again what you wrote player, but…

if you want to reply to me…

What?
A solution for a problem is easy to verify that it solves that problem, or else you’d have more problems, but a problem doesn’t have to be easy to solve.
For example what money really does in the economy, isn’t an easy problem to solve, but it is easy to verify the solution to that problem.

Why?
Imagine you do the same thing with the same amount of money twice from its beginning until its end , but one of the times that it takes you more time and effort.
Would you choose again and again to do it when it takes you more time and effort to do it with the same amount of money, doing the same thing?

How?
facebook.com/AlexandrosTsolis/

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When I say original image, I mean the image in which every player is made. If every player chooses to treat every player as the original image, they will not make each other take more time and effort to do the same thing with the same amount of money.

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Here’s what I believe: The original image of the universe had to be made before every player existed.

Here’s what I understand: The original imagine makes sense in reality for every player, as the original image is fun in reality over and over.

Here’s what I have to say to you: The original imagine is not what you imagine, or else reality wouldn’t really have a reason to be happening over and over…and then…

Here’s what you would do otherwise: …some players would think that they know the original image and not try to spend some time and effort to think if their “original image” makes sense in reality to happen over and over…as…

Here’s what makes sense to me: The original imagine makes sense in reality for every player, as the original imagine is fun in reality over and over, as the original imagine leaves you free to imagine whatever you like, but not everything you imagine is fun to happen in reality over and over…as…

Here’s what we all wonder about: …what makes sense in reality to happen over and over and over…you will over and over wonder about in your life…

Here’s what I am afraid you don’t understand yet: …fear natural, as the universe didn’t have a simpler way for you to understand what doesn’t make sense to happen over and over…but…

Here’s what I don’t know how else to say: …you have to remember that what makes sense to happen over and over in reality , over and over it is fun in reality, and over and over the human senses point towards that, regardless what “original image” one imagines, as reality really seems to be happening in a sensible way, and you really don’t have to imagine it to happen, but you can imagine how that is in a funny way, and follow that story in reality…or else I don’t know how there could be hope that it would be fun for you to live in reality.

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What does it mean to fear? Does it mean revere with awe? Shouldn’t we only revere with awe the original being/image, since the natural (which is the same as the universe) depends on the original image for its being?

I believe the original image/being is the only being that never had to be made - that’s why their name is “I AM that I AM”. They are the being from which all being is formed. That’s why they had to exist before every player could be made. They are the Maker, and make every player from their image.

When we ask the original image/being, “Why did you do the natural universe like this?” or “Why did this happen to me?” or “Why am I like this?” it shows we expect answers to those questions, and for there to be accountability. And that we don’t fully imagine the original/image in which we, like every player, are made—and that’s why we don’t know ourselves.

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I am afraid that you idiot don’t understand is what fear means idiot.

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Back to the subject players, don’t reply if you don’t have arguments supporting your idiotic opinions on my thread.

Argument
Physics as a science, progresses as follows:
1.There is a current theory, at any given time.
2.A candidate theory, which is more exact regarding what really is happening appears from research as a proposed new theory.
3. Experiments have to be conducted to verify the new theory.
4. When experiments are conducted, they can have the following results.
5. Nothing happens, the experiments fail to show any results, which has happened in the past.
6. Something happens, the experiments had the expected results, which has happened in the past, and science keeps following its path.
7. Something else happens…which was the case with some previous experiments…or else we wouldn’t be looking for a new theory, as then all experiments would point only to something, and nothing else…but up to now, this isn’t the case, and the future still hap pens next, and not before next happens.
8. What seems to be happening, is that before people actually make things in their lives that do something…they make things that don’t do something exactly…and they find that early at best, or late at worst…but the complete story they all know from the beginning, pretty consistently, it seems to me…as it could be the case with the argument I am making here and below.

And all the above in summary is
AXIOM: In any experiment conducted in reality, nothing can happen as a result, some thing can happen as a result, or…something else can happen as a result.
This is an axiom that seems consistent and complete to me, and I dare say…logical. Isn’t it?

Well what if it is?
"The consistency of axioms cannot be proven within their own system.” (google the phrase)
So, what?.. let’s write something below as well…

Systems, axioms and consistency
A system which has axioms for itself, in order for the system to call them axioms for itself, the system has to have a consistent behavior around those axioms and so when it behaves inconsistently with regard to those axioms, the inconsistency between those axioms and the system’s behavior the system can prove to itself.
If what is written above is false, then when a system behaves inconsistently with regard to some axioms it has for itself, that inconsistency it cannot prove to itself, and it keeps behaving inconsistently with regard to those axioms…but…
if the system keeps behaving inconsistently with regard to some axioms and cannot prove to itself that it does so with regard to those axioms, then it doesn’t seem to me it can consistently keep regarding them as axioms for the system, and then something else replaces them, and that something else is what the system calls axioms for itself.

So, what about what mathematicians wrote?

  1. When one counts phrases with numbers mathematicians…
    When one counts phrases with numbers mathematicians, one doesn’t end up with a phrase that makes sense for humans at any time in their history up to now, because if you mathematicians REALLY think otherwise…
    When one counts phrases with numbers mathematicians, one can end up with a phrase that makes sense for humans at some time in their history up to now, but if you mathematicians think this REALLY makes sense to you…
    If in the end mathematicians, when one counts phrases with numbers mathematicians, one can end up with a phrase that makes sense for humans at some time in their history up to now, then it doesn’t seem to me that all humans up to now throughout their history made sense by talking to one another honestly and not only by counting one another with numbers without any regard to honesty ever spoken…does it seem to you mathematicians?

  2. When numbers happen before words happen, mathematicians, and the rest ones…
    When numbers happen before words happen, words don’t make sense after numbers happen, or else
    When numbers happen before words happen, words can make sense after numbers happen, but…
    If in the end when numbers happen before words happen, words can make sense after numbers happen, then it doesn’t seem to me now what numbers where counting before, that is worth saying…does it seem to you?

  3. When numbers happen after words happen, all…
    When numbers happen after words happen, words make sense before numbers happen, or else
    When numbers happen after words happen, words don’t make sense before numbers happen, but…
    If in the end when numbers happen after words happen, words don’t make sense before numbers happen, then it doesn’t seem to me now that numbers make sense to happen after those specific words…does it seem to you?

So what?..let’s summarize…

Mathematicians…
in order to remain alive, you have to keep breathing…and this is an axiom for your system…that you can prove consistently throughout your entire life…
so breathe idiots…breathe…

isn’t it funny?

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Not not very funny.

A Forum is a place where people exchange their opinions.

If you don’t like that then write a book. No one will read it, given your attitude, but at least you will only have to suffer your own opinions and not the opinions of others.