Illegal and legal immigrants are pretty much asking for the same wages as native workers in the low-skill manufacturing and service fields, so keeping them here under the table no longer profits the capitalist parasites. And neither does the Don and his lobbyists care anything about illegals with drugs and rape kits. This whole ICE thing is just a bunch of fags playing GI Joe with taxpayer money. The Don got giddy when all the military and security advisor guys got all excited about being given permission to play GI Joe, so the Don gave them the go-ahead. Like what you’d do if you were president and your guys were getting bored and wanted to play paintball wars or something so, to earn their admiration, you gave them permission, scoring major cool points… which you need when you’re that fat feckless fruitcake that nobody really likes.
MrAuthoritarian:
If you have actually been to those cities you would know they have been deindustrialized and economically hollowed out where massive poverty is everywhere domestically.
They’re also high violent crime areas as well.
K: and I’m sure that is in some fashion, in some way, applicable to
the question at hand, which is by what right does ICE/SS have
to assassinate American citizens, even if they are armed or not…
again, what does this have to do with the price of tea in China?
Kropotkin
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Peaceful protests?
Play stupid games, win stupid prizes.
I don’t even like the police all that much but even I am smart enough not to do these things in order.
1.) Hit a police officer with a vehicle.
2.) Pick a fight with a police officer with a gun in my holster where it looks like I am reaching for a gun within physical confrontation.
3.) Bite off the finger of a police officer.
In all three instances these are just dumb stupid ideas to begin with.
It’s interesting that democrats and their Trotskyist ANTIFA allies are so keen to defend the rights of foreigners over domestic American citizens that it is ultimately suspect.
Where were these assholes the last twenty five years when American citizens lost their homes, jobs, and source of income into homeless penury? These assholes never fight for actual American citizens this hard, why is that?
Surya Loka:
Peaceful protests?
K: I have been to several protest over the years and inevitable
once the cops show up, they escalate matters into violence…
without fail…remove the cops and the situation never
escalates…
Kropotkin
The narrative around this latest shooting is just wrong. Look at the many videos showing what happened. It is actually wrong on both sides.
The right is saying “he was an armed protestor who attaacked ICE”, which is not true. ICE attacked him physically, then disarmed his concealed weapon, and then after disarming him he was shot 7 times in the back.
The left is saying ICE executed him. That is also not true. Look at the videos of what happened. I believe this is an issue of lack of training for these ICE agents. The amount of time from when this nurse is put on the ground being physically restrained (and he seems to be resisting, not a good idea, but understandable in the situation) to when they see his concealed weapon, remove the weapon, and then another agent shoots him, is very short. A matter of seconds. So what I think happened is the ICE agent who shot him went into panic defense mode as soon as he saw the weapon. His adrenaline was high, and probably he had no training or experience what to do in a situation like this. He saw “armed person resisting” and feared for safety of himself and others, and he fired. Problem is, he fired AFTER the nurse was disarmed. But the time interval was so fast there, a fraction of a second. He made the decision to shoot as soon as he saw the gun, and the fact that another agent disarmed the guy did not have enough time to process and change that decision.
Other problem here is both sides will use this to their advantage, further pushing us into a planned civil war. Most people do not care about the truth. They want to appease and stroke their egos and emotions and play into their team sports politics. THat’s all they care about at this point. Rationality and even an attempt at fair minded objectivity is gone.
I’ve been to Detroit and St. Louis, and I went to school outside Chicago and visit family there about once a year.
I would agree that Detroit and St. Louis are economically depressed, but I don’t think that applies to Chicago, and certainly not in such a way that their problems can be lumped together. The whole US deindustrialized, but lots of places were able to transition to post-industrial economies. But Chicago also maintained a position as a financial center and transportation hub. And it was never as dependent on a single industry as Detroit was.
I’d sooner lump Minneapolis in with Chicago than with St. Louis or Detroit. There’s a million ways to measure cities, so if you have some measure you like that you think supports what you’re saying, please share. I picked homicide rate because it was easy to find info and it makes sense across such disparate city sizes:
Minneapolis and Chicago have almost the same homicide rate (about 1.5 per thousand), and it’s less than half of the murder rate in Detroit (about 3 per thousand) and less than a third of the rate in St. Louis (5 per thousand).
They’re still about 4x a city like Boston (.4 per thousand) or NYC (.35 per thousand), but meaningfully different from the other cities you list.
Also: I’m not sure how relevant any of this is. These protests are happening in relatively wealthy areas, not in the most economically depressed parts of the city. These people had relatively comfortable lives until ICE started executing warrantless searches of them and their neighbors.
MrAuthoritarian:
1.) Hit a police officer with a vehicle.
2.) Pick a fight with a police officer with a gun in my holster where it looks like I am reaching for a gun within physical confrontation.
In all three instances these are just dumb stupid ideas to begin with.
K: and yet, not one has been proven to be true…for example,
the only ones saying that lady hit the cop with the car, is the cops…
otherwise, no one else is saying that and the video doesn’t show that…
the video on Pretti is pretty clear, he didn’t reach for his gun, he was
clearly shot on the ground with nothing in his hands when he was shot…
to ‘‘prove’’ your points, you have to lie…
MR. A: It’s interesting that democrats and their Trotskyist ANTIFA allies are so keen to defend the rights of foreigners over domestic American citizens that it is ultimately suspect.
K: BOTH PEOPLE IN MINNESOTA are Americans, so, once again,
you are making shit up… how does the rights of foreigners play into
the murders of two American citizens?
MR. A: Where were these assholes the last twenty five years when American citizens lost their homes, jobs, and source of income into homeless penury? These assholes never fight for actual American citizens this hard, why is that
K: And what does this have to do with the assassinations of American
citizens?
Kropotkin
Either way those cities are somewhat comparable because they have massive amounts of problems in all of them. Homicide rates is just one of many problems.
Also, in Chicago businesses have been leaving in droves left and right within the last decade because crime is so bad there.
They’re fighting on the behalf of foreigners against immigration customs enforcers.
There is almost zero energy it would seem to fight on the behalf of American workers or citzens, but the moment imported foreign cheap labor is threatened everybody wants to fight on the behalf of foreigners.
That is why this nation is such a pathetic joke and why liberals stand for nothing at all other than what their rich wealthy handlers tell them to stand for.
Even worse you people are not smart enough to see what kind of political puppets you really are under this establishment.
Everywhere’s got problems man. Make a specific fucking argument instead of this hand-wavey bullshit. People in Minnesota aren’t in the street because the city’s economically depressed.
This is not true.
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K: and once again, what the hell does this have to do with the
assassination of American citizens?
Kropotkin
You have made a compound claim that X is happening because of Y. For that claim to be true, it needs to be true both that (1) X is happening and (2) Y is the reason X is happening.
You have offered evidence in support of (1), that the total number of businesses is down, though annoyingly you provide a screenshot instead of a link to your source (I also think this article from the same source makes your point better, because it looks specifically at businesses moving rather than raw numbers of businesses).
You have offered nothing for (2), i.e. that the reason businesses are leaving is because of crime. What’s more is, your source for (1) actually undermines that claim. It shows business creation increasing during the pandemic, when crime in Chicago was at its highest. The other article by the same outlet that I link above shows that nationally, the trend wasn’t from high-crime to low-crime areas, but from high-tax to low-tax:
Note too that business movement is out of high-productivity states like CA, NY, and IL. It stands to reason that states that generate a lot of economic activity also generate and shed a lot of businesses.
I’ll also note, for the sake of staying on topic, that MN is a net recipient of business migration. Make of that what you will.
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So police turning up means protesters have to get aggy? 
Surely a police presence shouldn’t change a thing if protesters remained peaceful and didn’t start agitating the police?
But the worst is when these asshole’s fun 'n games results in someone getting shot that clearly didn’t deserve to… and then the vice and the spokeswoman, who both know this was a wrongful death, have to pretend on TV like they believed she deserved it.
How could you live with yourself and be a republican/conservative voice right now? You know you sound like a total ass, right? Everybody from the golf course to the 4chan message boards knows she didn’t deserve to get shot. One of these days you asshats are gonna have to stop toeing the line ‘cause you look like fools.
Surya Loka:
So police turning up means protesters have to get aggy?
Surely a police presence shouldn’t change a thing if protesters remained peaceful and didn’t start agitating the police?
K: and as usual, missing the point…the protesters are non-violent,
it’s the police that instigate and the aggressive ones…
and if they hadn’t shown up, nothing would have happened,
but because of their instigation, they cause the violence…
and I’ve seen this multiple times… the police by their actions,
cause the violence… not the protesters, but the police…
Kropotkin
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Where did anyone say that she, or he, deserved to get shot?
I said “..why tempt fate”.. coz I certainly wouldn’t, would you?
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The only one who looks like a fool right now, is you.. because you implied wrong.
How dare you!
