What’s the best argument you have heard or seen to justify eating meat and other products from animal sources?
I’m finding it incredibly difficult to justify that kind of behavior and the reasons I do have to not become a vegetarian or a vegan just aren’t that compelling.
I want to keep those reasons to myself but I’d like to hear other people’s opinions.
Why do you eat products from animal sources ?
Do you just don’t care?
Do you care but can’t be bothered ?
Is it an “out of sight, out of mind” kind of deal ?
The latter isn’t a reason, it’s a psychologocal fact about a parially developed throwback to a caveman type of person. Beat your chest will you. You may have a hundred reasons to care about both animals and the planet, whether you recognize them or not.
Animal meat provides a specific nutrient that is not found in vegetables.
Vegetables are no longer natural, but Man-made, patented genotypes and Man is very occupied with the lust of absolute oppressive control over all life.
If not for those, there would be no need for eating animals.
I am equating the two, by using the logic in cow issue around children.
We would have many less cows if everyone became a vegetarian. As demand dropped less would be bred. But this implies that the demand is doing good things for cows, cows in the future who may or may not be born (so quickly?). By this logic refraining from breeding oneself, at any given moment, would be denying certain births. And since most value human babies at least on a par with cows, the logic should apply.
A little trick is in the phrasing of the counterfactual. Your friend made it in the present. But in the present we eat cows. It is as if advocating vegetarianism is attacking the lives of cows now living. When in fact the whole human race never decides anything all at once, and also, of course, many are eating mean right now.
So it’s about the future. The future loss of potential cows. Think of all we could be doing to improve the chances of future animals. In fact we should buy more meat than we need, so there is even more demand, so more cows are bred.
It sounds like it makes some sense, but it is both disingenuous - I am doing cows a favor - and illogical.
If you do another transfer you can see the problems. Imagine some person concerned about a dwindling tribe of Amazonians decides that if he sells their meat and creates a big demand, these people will not only survive, but more will get to live in the future.
And I am not basing this argument on humans being the same as animals. Just showing what the favor being done for the eaten really is.
At the very least your friend should be right now eating meat or burning it while procreating. The clock is ticking.
You actually could get B12 from tempeh, but only as it is tradictionally made in the East. In the West, to get past health inspection, you cannot prepare/ferment tempeh the same and be approved.
But this only matter for vegans. You can get b12 from dairy products and eggs without working hard at all.
Some nutritionists believe that one can get health problems from not eating meat/animal products. Other disagree. Throwing a dart at a nutritionists convention and listening to whomever you hit would save time and be as certain as any other approach depending on experts.
Different bodies need different things, also.
Clearly some vegetarians lead long healthy lives, so they must manage without whatever is in meat. I am wary of nutrition rules that are supposed to be true for everyone.
I am planning to become a vegan when the Inuit do.
What is a moral principle? if it is an “ought”, should we not claim that others ought to do what we think we ought to do? If I think eating meat is wrong, shouldn’t I think that it’s wrong for others to eat meat as well? So, I would require that the Inuit stop eating meat and animal products. They will die, but at least they will be morally correct. What’s more important?