I’ll leave it to others to decide which commandment this is:
There it is, the divinely revealed “Word of God” according to the Bible, as transmitted by Moses or some other unknown shaman.
I’ll leave it to others to decide which commandment this is:
There it is, the divinely revealed “Word of God” according to the Bible, as transmitted by Moses or some other unknown shaman.
Bump. ![]()
Yeah, that is a weird passage. I wonder why it is written “third and fourth” as opposed to just “fourth”. And what does it mean to say “them that hate me”? Does it mean the third and fourth generations after the last one who hates the Lord, or so long as the generations up to the third and fourth one hate Him He’ll visit their inequities, but after that the Lord doesn’t give a shit what they think of Him?
It was problematic until about two millenia ago when Jesus dealt with the problem as recorded in the Gospel of John:
And as Jesus passed by, he saw a man which was blind from his birth. And his disciples asked him, saying, Master, who did sin, this man, or his parents, that he was born blind? Jesus answered, Neither hath this man sinned, nor his parents: but that the works of God should be made manifest in him. I must work the works of him that sent me, while it is day: the night cometh, when no man can work. As long as I am in the world, I am the light of the world.
Actually, it’s saying He doesn’t give a shit because even if those generations like Him, He’s still going to visit the iniquities on them anyway. It’s like parents scolding the oldest child that if he doesn’t behave, Santa won’t come, which the oldest ignores but it scares the crap out of his siblings.
Yes, to hell with all those 1Mil to Zero CE, or who are good but aren’t convinced, or never heard of Jesus, or are Jewish etc. etc. etc.
You ironic argument, is only effective, if at all, as a response to someone maintaining that the Bible is the inerrant, unmediated revelation of God. Is that who your thread is aimed at?
It is aimed at promoting Truth, and its science, Veritology.
What is veritology? The passage cited may indicate genetic inheritance of diseases, which, in any case are unmerited. No theologian has of yet convinced anyone other than the most gullible that our inheritance of curses put on Adam for his disobedience is deserved. Milton tried. In his preface to “Paradise Lost” he says he is about to " justify God’s ways to man". A. E. Houseman had a neat response to that–
“Malt does more than Milton can
To justify God’s ways to man.
Milton believed in “felix culpa”, happy guilt, the fall of Adam necessitating the intervention of Christ, all part of a preconceived program of salvation. Looking at that, I ask, “Why make me sick in order to heal me?” " Why give me a brain able to see the stupity and immorality of that whole inherited sin scenario?”
What loving god would punish everyone for the sins of a single human? Or did god only become loving in the N.T.? In the OT, he even tells us (Deuteronomy) to take our unruly children to the gates of the city and stone them. He tells us that only a small tribe of Hebrews are special and that everybody else is damned for serving false gods,even though the OT Hebrews were not missionary!
A partial god, one who punishes all for the offences of a few, does not deserve my worship.
See James on “the wisdom that is from above”, which totally contradicts OT concepts of partiality. Peter and Paul debated as to who should receive the gospel. Should even gentiles be allowed to partake in a gospel’s rewards? P.T., your first objection to scriptural irrationality, the type of irrationality that does not contribute to creative, ethical advancements among all humans, should include the many passages that depict a god who is more infantile, less loving than the humans he/she created, one who sets standards of morality but cannot follow them.
Check out Matthew Fox, a catholic writer who was told, as was Tielhard Chardin, by the pope to shut up!
P.T., your first objection to scriptural irrationality, the type of irrationality that does not contribute to creative, ethical advancements among all humans, should include the many passages that depict a god who is more infantile, less loving than the humans he/she created, one who sets standards of morality but cannot follow them.
Scriptural irrationality and scriptural wisdom both come from the same source-----humans.