Can capitalism ever be reformed?

“Mr Authoritarian socialism, communism, and Marxism is bad. They’re completely anti human social political economic systems.”

Alright, people here obviously disagree with my Marxist and communist beliefs but I think it’s safe to say there are deeply embedded problems with today’s economic financial capitalism.

So, for all of you would be capitalists or libertarian thinkers, how would you go about reforming and saving today’s economic capitalist system? How would you stop Marxists like myself from sprouting up all over the place in the preservation of your system?

Excellent topic.

Here are my ideas:

There must be limits on inheritance. Something still high enough to mean something, but not so high as to allow perpetual wealth accumulation like we see today. Maybe, 2 million dollars is the limit. Anything beyond that cannot be inherited and is taxed at 100% when a person dies.

There must also be a WEALTH tax. As much as I hate taxes because they represent the State stealing from the people, the issues we face today require this mechanism to balance things out. A wealth tax would only kick in above a certain threshold, like 5 million dollars. Anyone who is worth more than that, not only pays their regular income tax and capital gains taxes, but also pays a wealth tax on any remaining wealth AFTER their other taxes have been calculated. The wealth tax is on their net financial value including all of their assets. I would propose a structure like this:

5-50 million dollars of wealth, 10% wealth tax
50-500 million dollars of wealth, 15% wealth tax
500 million-1 billion dollars of wealth, 20% tax
1 billion+ of wealth, 25% wealth tax

Next, we need a payment plan to pay down the national debt. This is critical. And it can be done, I calculated some numbers about this the other day. Basically, every American citizen will receive a bill along with their taxes each year. The bill will be their portion of helping to pay down most of the national debt over a 20-year period of time. It is monthly, so they can arrange to have this auto-paid each month or they can pay it all once a year. And, if they are very low income they can choose to have the payment deducted from their other benefits they are already receiving.

If you run the numbers you get something like this:

Lowest income earners: $100 a month
Middle income earners: $400 a month
Highest income earners: $800 a month

If you stretch that out for each citizen, every month for 20 years you end up making a very huge reduction of the national debt.

Next, we need to enforce anti-trust laws. Monopolies of the largest tech and banking and media corporations must be broken up into smaller competing corporations. This is a no-brainer.

Once the national debt has been reduced significantly, we can lower income taxes for everyone. This will especially help the middle class, since income taxes are regressive on the middle class the most (the rich easily pay or dodge income taxes, and the poor tend not to pay anything in income taxes).

What else? We need total financial transparency for all politicians. Anyone elected to public office must submit to full public audits of their financials, bank statements, investments, everything. To make sure there is no bribery, fraud, insider trading etc. going on.

And we should return to a much smaller, more limited government. Like the US Constitution intends. A lot of the problems having to do with hyper-capitalism are caused directly or indirectly by the fact the federal government has become controlled and co-opted by the super rich, and become so bloated and huge that the fraud and kickbacks and waste and abuse are beyond measure. The US federal government is also the reason for so many wars and problems in the world today, including weapons and drug trafficking, regime over throw, etc. Obviously the US should immediately stop supporting NATO and withdraw from that fascist organization too.

Hm, what else would be helpful… much harsher prison sentences for violent criminals. Anyone convicted of murder, kidnapping, rape of a child, things like that should be locked away with zero chance of ever rejoining society again. This would single-handedly cause a huge and permanent drop in violent crime within a single generation. This is related to capitalism because for capitalism to succeed we need a relatively peaceful society and commerce. The levels of violent crime in America are way too high, especially in large liberal cities. It is easy to stop almost all violent crime: lock up the criminals and throw away the key. Most violent crime is done by repeat offenders. So this would be one way to bring society back to being more peaceful, cooperative, more trusting.

I’m sure there are other things that could be done. Like reducing our dependence on foreign states for our own economic productivity and manufacturing. Tariffs are a weak idea because if the foreign country doesn’t agree to shoulder that cost, the cost ends up being paid by Americans. Instead, simply cut taxes and/or subsidize domestic production. Best would be to give a tax-free incentive in certain sectors of the economy for purchase of domestic-produced goods and services, while foreign ones continue to have their regular or even higher tax rate in terms of sales tax. You could also offer tax rebates to individuals and companies who purchase a certain percentage of their goods and services domestically.

The government should also stop mass immigration immediately, remove a lot of the people who are already here illegally, have an effective border, AND reform the legal immigration system so it actually works decently well.

Government should also incentive people to have families in married couples. Married couples can get a much better tax credit, but especially they get a big tax credit for every child they have. The government can also give interest-free loans to married couples with children so they can buy a house.

I’ll have to add more ideas later as I think of them. So far this seems like a pretty good start.

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I don’t want to live in a society or government that restricts how much I can leave to my descendants.

Only those without children could dream of such an evil policy.

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I’m thinking…if we exterminate albino whitey, the world will return to its original state of peace and communal brown harmony.
I mean…what have these evil people given mankind?

Stay Woke.
:grimacing:

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Also very important is to get rid of the federal reserve, kick out all banksters and regain control over our own currency and mint. Return to a gold standard, have the American people via the STATE-level governments owning their own currency and collective wealth again. Yes, I think the federal government should be kicked out of the treasury and mint business (would need a Constitutional amendment for this) and the 50 states can do that themselves. Sure they can form a group to coordinate and make sure things are smooth for inter-state transactions. But having a gold standard would ensure very little variability in the purchasing power between states. AND having each state mint their own gold-backed money would allow for some natural competition between states economically, so states that are wasteful and full of fraud like California could see their currency relatively devalued compared to states that are more responsible and desirable to interact with and live in. Also, it would mean that states like California which run up billions of dollars of debt can’t export that debt to the other states, they will be forced to live within their own means.

Of course, kicking out the international banksters really got Germany on the Zionist shit list and led to WW2. But people forget that international Jewry (Zionism as it was called at the time) declared war on Germany as early as 1933. So we would need to be very prepared for something similar to occur as Zionist banksters manipulate other countries to war against us in order to get us back into the slavery of fiat debt- and reserve-based international banksterism.

A bit of history for those not familiar with these things,

Shame on you…that much truth is prohibited here…too combative.
Be less aggressive…listen to the softness of their convictions.

Feeel the truth.

Know the victim hierarchy…
First and foremost…the Jews…because…Holocaust.
Then…the blacks, or anyone with skin pigmentation.
Then…women, even men who are trapped in the wrong body…

Whitey is not there.
He’s the exploiter…the aggressor, the capitalist, the colonizer.
He’s the retarded albino…
Get rid of whitey.

There’s only one tribe…the human race, and the chosen ones…who watch over them.
Tribalism is not permitted for whitey…blacks…okay, we’ll give them a pass…because…you know, slavery.

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One of the greatest accidental advantages ever to happen to modern american capitalists was the importation of slaves that would later gain citizenship and equality.

Once the integration into society begins, there’s gonna be a good couple hundred years of interracial conflict. This is the period we are in now, and here’s how it’s an advantage. It creates peripheral problems that keep the attention of the working class off revolution and on stupid little shit like wokism and i can’t breathe (this fuckin floyd guy is still a star… just saw him on the news again five years later).

Capitalism manufactures little dramas that keep its working class occupied and feeling engaged in stuff that’s kinda sorta revolutionary. It’s the cutest thing you’ll ever see… woke college-aged transgender white democrats banding together with the kneegrows in a march on the capitol. The Musks and Trumps of the world love this shit.

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Capitalism becomes totalitarian, if there’s no regulating state.
There has never been a pure capitalistic system, because ti would become a monopoly…a plutocracy.
Wait…what?
It has already.

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I have some philosophy and theory about the nature of capitalism with respect to philosophy itself, to the development of truth in the world and within/as humans. It is what I called existential capitalism, which I think must develop/be born from the current hypercapitalism that is crushing the world. I will select some parts of this to post here, so MrA can comment and respond as needed to these ideas.

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Capitalism’s success is owned to the fact that it is based on the law of the jungle - might it right.
The problem is that, unlike nature, in capitalism status is inherited, or passed into one’s offspring…through ownership, enforced by the ssytem, which represents the collective interests.
This, pools wealth, eventually corrupting the system.

Meritocracy is subverted.

Damn whites!!!

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So instead of pooled family wealth over time, you want the law of the jungle resetting status every generation based on individual genetics + random / environmental influences only?

I am also against massive inheritance, and I support the idea of meritocracy. But conditioning this to something like the jungle law of nature “might makes right” in terms of mere individual genes + environment factors, is just silly. We are not apes anymore, we have minds. Selves, consciousness, individuality, subjectivity, culture and history, language. all the rest… philosophy. Ethics. We can understand on a much much higher level than anything that is occurring within the jungle.

The reason uber-billionaires and their familial superinheritance financial black holes are so problematic is not because it is “not in accordance with the laws of the jungle”, rather quite the opposite… according to nature and the laws of the jungle, might makes right which I know is something you personally believe in. You actually have no rational basis according to your own logic to resist billionaires gaming the system in the favor of their own familial genetic lines. That is something YOU probably do support, or at least you SHOULD support it according to your own logic.

Only a much broader, philosophical position is able to critique this. We need to go far beyond nature and the laws of the jungle. Might makes right is flawed from a philosophical perspective, but why? What are the hierarchies of value here? What are the conditions for human fourishing? Should we be mere apes with fancy machines to further our jungle warfares, or… maybe just maybe, we can aspire to more? To apprehend the truth itself and for its own sake?

To me, you sound like a hypocrite defending the poor classes against the uber-rich billionaires who game the system in their favor due to their massive wealth and power AND intellect. You side with the poor outcasts, the plebs, the middle classes, the ones you really do despise… why is that? Why not be honest and admit you admire the super-rich for gaming the system in their own favor, and in favor of their genetic lineages? A small number of families control the entire world, do you not know this? Doesn’t that fact make you proud inside? Or are you so pathological you would abandon even your own values simply because YOU PERSONALLY are not part of the winning tribes?

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So instead of pooled family wealth over time, you want the law of the jungle resetting status every generation based on individual genetics + random / environmental influences only?

Nothing said represents my personal preferences.
I only present one of capitalism’s many problems…

My preference is Timocracy. One earns his citizenship by serving the state, for a period, and by contributing to it tangible goods…promoting a hoplite mentality…farmer warriors.
This guarantees that those who hold political office are men of merit…intelligence and self-discipline.
I would also consider a cap on wealth, so as to prevent wealth to accumulate and dominate the state, as it has the States.
A man would have to pay taxes over a certain amount of wealth, or he would be forced to pass the excess wealth on to his eldest son…if he had one. this would promote families with many children.

Inherited wealth cultivates spoiled brats that do not deserve the status their parents passed onto them.
Power and stupidity are a bad combination.

No…I do not believe ‘might makes right’ rather I believe ‘right makes might.’

Get to know me before you open your mouth.

Capitalism pools wealth…and if there are no checks and balances, imposed by a government, which you dumb Americans hate, then it cultivates monopolies.
Like those running the US…multinational corporations, with extreme power…and so many investments in other corporations that you cannot trace them to their owners.

Problem is, “the state” is not a thing, it is a non-entity, an actual zombie. Whatever we call the state is simply a group of certain individuals occupying certain positions of political power. Your Timocracy may work when the right kind of individuals are in there, but over time… everything becomes corrupted.

You seriously want the political power-class to be comprised of those who hold property? How would that look in the real world? The very uber-rich you claim to hate, would be the very political leaders in your own system. Warrior-farmers would stand no chance. Oh sure, maybe for a limited time in limited areas you can get something like Sparta going, but even Sparta fell.

Yes, capitalism pools wealth, hence the comments I already made in this very thread as to ideas I have to countermand this tendency. Capitalism also CREATES wealth. This is good insofar as it is actually good, and it is also bad insofar as it is actually bad. For all the reasons you and I both agree on.

“Right makes might” sounds like a call to pure philosophy, except we all know you better than that. You believe in might makes right, no use denying it. You have been around here long enough for everyone here to know your position on this. It is amusing you would claim to deny it now, but I understand why.

You really dislike being caught out in a position that makes you seem silly, don’t you? A radical materialist naturalist-Nietzschean sort of will to power, might makes right ideologue such as you, cannot possibly stomach being made to look silly. Reputation and image is your primary focus, it is really all that you have, right?

Or am I wrong about that? You call me “you dumb American” and I already made my arguments in this topic against hypercapitalism, arguments you feel free to leech from in terms of your cap on wealth and promoting families and all that. But at least you don’t claim that I am any kind of Statist like you are. That is certainly where we differ. I want a state, but a very limited and intentional one where THE STATE SERVES THE PEOPLE. You do realize that is the original impetus of facsism, right? Gentile’s errors notwithstanding.

The group does not equal “the state”. The administrative, bureaucratic legalistic State is a far cry away from “the people/nation/folk/history/culture/land” etc. In fact, if there is any entity which is both in theory and in fact opposed essentially to those, it would be the administrative-bureaucratic-legalistic State.

And you want us to worship the state, hmmm. Sure, power and stupidity are indeed a bad combination.

The poison fruits of capitalism is that it buys all politicians, bankers, corporate owners, journalists, scientists, writers, military generals, leaders, and so on. Then after it buys the entire government itself it then robs the entire national treasury and slowly over a period of time after completely devaluing the national currency robs the entire population through taxation of the government it comes to own against the interests of the people. And people wonder why today that Marxism along with socialism are becoming more popular notions yearly.

Once more if capital isn’t reigned in on and regulated it will surely destroy the nations it inhabits overtime. The hilarious thing of it all is that if you call for capital to be regulated the usual retort is, “What are you, some kind of communist?” After a while however seeing the disastrous effects of capitalism over time in the societies it inhabits the sting of being called a communist loses all of its potency. Being called a communist becomes a mark of individual pride.

Behold the United States the most economically capitalist nation on earth where the American Dream has been reduced to working three jobs merely to subsist where the average lifespan is the worst in the entirety of the current postmodern world. A place where the propaganda is that all individuals are free but where the underclass knows that to be a lie.

The only free people being the wealthy themselves.

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Inheritance wouldn’t be an issue if the wealthy payed their fair share of taxes but every time it is brought up they scream holy hell about it despite the lowest earners paying taxes on virtually everything.

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All fantastic ideas but you’ll be called a Marxist, socialist, or communist for supporting such measures because the neoliberals along with the neoconservatives worship the boots of the wealthy where they’re not happy unless those same very boots are constantly stomping the faces of the poor.

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roblem is, “the state” is not a thing, it is a non-entity, an actual zombie. Whatever we call the state is simply a group of certain individuals occupying certain positions of political power. Your Timocracy may work when the right kind of individuals are in there, but over time… everything becomes corrupted.

Yes…so a state represents YOU…
If the nation is heterogeneous the leader may have nothing in common with YOU.
In a racially, culturally, ethnically homologous nation the state has many things in common with YOU.

Your Timocracy may work when the right kind of individuals are in there, but over time… everything becomes corrupted.

Everything is corrupted over time.

In case anybody is wondering reading this thread if it isn’t readily obvious already, my stance is that capitalism is incapable of both saving and reforming. I challenge people in this thread to prove me wrong.

Under the present circusmtnaces…yes.
But if the last frontier opens up…don’t think communism will past long.

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