Can someone help me?

How many times do feel anxiety in social situations per day?

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  • 1-3 times
  • 4-6 times
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Ok, I’m back from my long break off of this site and I have a question for anyone who can answer it. I have just recently figured out that I have a Social Anxiety disorder. I have always known of my persistant, self-conscious behavior, however, I can’t put my hand on how this whole thing had started. So, I want to know; how could this whole disorder start? Also, could this whole disorder be neurological? I really need to know because this disorder is constricting my life.

Thoughtprovoker,

As someone who has treated many people with social phobia, let me first say that you are not alone. MANY people have SP. In fact, one element of SP (public speaking) is so common that if it’s the only situation in which one gets anxious, it’s not even considered a “disorder.”

As for its origins, some of my colleagues (psychiatrists) go the neurological route, and there ARE some differences in the brain functioning/activation of people with SP vs those without. However, this is NOT proof of an A–>B relationship, as the neruoimaging can be showing differences DUE TO SP, thus B–>A. There are numerous theories as to why someone develops SP (or any mood or anxiety disorder), and having been trained in seven different orientations, I can see validity in many different theories.

So, I would recommend that you not worry too much about HOW this SP developed, if such an origin does not come to mind. Instead, I would go about finding HELP for this. Short-term CBT is very effective to reduce or eliminate the symptoms IN THOSE FOR WHOM CBT IS EFFECTIVE (I know it sounds circular, but the fact is that the studies on effectiveness of CBT are usually conducted on ONLY THOSE WHO MEET OUR INCLUSIONARY/EXCLUSIONARY CRITERIA…thus, e.g., if 100 people apply for the study, we’ll screen out, say, 50 off the bat. Then, among the remaining 50, we may screen out 10 more. Out of the 40, 10-20 may drop out during the course of treatment (homework being the number one reason), and among the 20-30 remaining individuals, maybe 50-75% will have shown a GREAT improvement, and most of the rest will show SOME improvement. In the end, however, only the FINAL 20-30 get reported on, thus we can claim that CBT is very effective. They are trying to get researchers to report on the dropout rate and to be a bit more honest in the screening process so readers of the studies can get a better picture of what REAL percentage of people IN TOTAL benefit from CBT. But don’t expect your doctor to be as honest about everything I just wrote…

Now, when people come for CBT, they often realize that there are far more underlying issues than they had expected, and so some want to dig deeper to get at them. In short-term therapy you won’t really get to dig too deep, especially if the CBT practitioner is “old school” CBT (i.e., some of my colleagues are FINALLY accepting that CBT needs to focus more on the interpersonal and psychodynamic and TRUE emotional aspects of human functioning and not just cognitive/rational elements). However, the EXPOSURE aspects of CBT are, IMO, essential to overcoming your SP fears.

For more information, I’m sure you can google and find it, but look for OFFICIAL sites, otherwise who knows what kind of quackery you’ll find. Best of luck, and if you do seek a therapist, make sure there is a good bond between the two of you, as the therapeutic alliance is the BEST predictor of successful outcome in therapy (and you can usually tell by the 2nd or 3rd session if this alliance is “good”). Of course, depending on where you live, you may not have so much access to different therapists, and your sessions may or may not be covered…

hey listen I’m afraid of public speaking but listen. I’m so paranoid everyday about what people are going to think of me… I feel so anxious that I’m going to embarrass myself in a social situation that I can never get words out in a logical way and I’m always beating myself up thinking that I didn’t say something well or that I am idiot in how I said. The part about that is that even in posts I had put on this site and in ALL regular conversation I am always paranoid and anxious that I’m going to embarrass myself so much to the point that I isolate myself from the outside world and social environments. So don’t say that what I’m experiencing is not a disorder because with how I’m feeling right now, I am also becoming very depressed along with being anxious. I know you might be very excellent in this field of phychology but what I’m feeling right now is not common. It is happening every moment of everyday and most of the time the anxiety is not provoked. So, with all that I am feeling I think that this feeling and constant anxiety is a disorder.

Oh my goodness, I’m so sorry about lashing out at you above but I hadn’t read your whole post. Thank you so much for advice. I’m so sorry… :blush:

Thoughtprov. For what you are going through I would recommend Krishnamurti. It was recommended to me when I was suffering from post trauma stress, and I like to pass on the advice, because it was the only thing that had ever helped.

On another note, if you are not already, I would highly suggest not mucking about with the drugs that any docotor will subscribe to you, as if they were M & M’s. The drugs may help, but ultimately so will smashing your head against a brick wall about 50 times. Both treatments have the same effect. They dull the mind.

What is Krishnamurti? And wait why should I not take what a doctor subcribes ? He has a PHD doesn’t he? He knows what he’s giving me, doesn’t he? And it’s not like I am going to take these drugs like M&M’s. DO YOU THINK I’M CRAZY?!

TP, medication can be helpful, as long as the doctor is not irresponsible and states from the start that she has a plan to get you off of them at some point (many doctors don’t have any compunction about keeping you on them for life). I understand where Rounder is coming from but I have to implore you to read up on the meds yourself (the net has lots of info) and make your own choice, with the assistance of a doctor you trust. BTW, PhDs can’t prescribe–MDs (which psychiatrists are) can.

Please read some of my other threads about how people see and filter things through their own experiences before taking anyone’s advice (though from what I saw at a conference a few years back, the thing Rounder keeps mentioning seems like it has great potential to help some people).

Thoughtprovoker,

Psyque is definitely better at advice on these sorts of things, but I can tell you that I had a similar thing in my early thirties. I never took pills or anything, but the more I pushed myself to try new things the more my self esteem built to a point where I found myself having more confidence. My job ( one of three) tends to put me in front of a computer screen 24/7, so that doesn’t help. Once being terrified of public speaking, I now do it all the time and almost finding it challenging. I wish you could believe how horrified I was even to be called on in a public place like a classroom or even the lobby of a hotel. Many people do not get the horror if they haven’t gone through it.

I would like to know about the Krishna-thingy too, and will look it up on the internet tonight. I will encourage you to try new things. A job, a volunteer position, take your dog to a dog park… anything that is new that requires you to be with new people. Practice on strangers. Walk up to someone… ask them about anything just to build your confidence.

Good luck to you. I feel for you a lot, and God… I remember it so well.

Krishnamurti was an Eastern philosopher. But his philosophy really is universal. Anyone I’ve ever met that has read it, or that I have recommended it to loves it, and sees truth in it.

No I don’t think you are crazy. About the drugs, well doctors just play around with them really, PHD really doesn’t mean much concerning the mind. Ask any doctor worth his salt, and he will tell you 2 things about drugs for anxiety and depression 1. They are very succesfull at treating it 2. its guesswork, and pretty much trail and error. Bottom line if you get the right drugs the stuff works, but they really don’t know what the hell they are doing.

In my personaly case, I was diagnosed with Anxiety and depression. I kept telling people that there was something physically wrong with me since I was never prone too such things. Doctors checked me out, and nothing. They said no, you are just depressed, take these pills. I resisted for awhile, but after some time my family convinced me to take the meds. Anyways I became more and more convinced that it was physical not mental, everyone thought I was nuts. I became sure it was my neck, I made the doctor get me an MRI, and … I was right. Started getting treatment, fully recovered, and went of the pills as soon as possible. I have to say that as soon as I went off the pills it was like a cloud was lifted. I could see clearly. The pills work because they sedate you. Don’t deny the power your own mind has to solve your psychological problems. The mind can transcend any fragmented state.

http://www.kfa.org/

The Krishnamurti Foundation of America. Go to the FAQ if you want a summary of who he was, and what his teachings were.

Thanks Rounder.

no prob. :stuck_out_tongue: