Can you experience sleep?

Can you experience sleep?

Can you experience sleep?

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I guess it would depend on which phase of the ‘sleep cycle’ One is in.

Obv yes, or one would never remember dreams, be able to influence them lucidly, or catch oneself dozing off.

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I mean dreamless sleep.

Real sleep only, not being half-aware while slipping into actual sleep

How are you going to experience that which you have defined as the lack of experience?

But you seem to rule out differing levels of conscious awareness.

There was never nothing, or we wouldn’t be here to have this conversation. Start there.

No, you may not because if you could, you’d complicate what ‘experience’ means.

If you said, “But in a lucid dream, i am aware that I’m dreaming and therefore i am experiencing this dream world in the same way i experience a waking world” I’d remind you that the things experienced are not like the things experienced in the waking world and not just in a trivial way. Perception when awake is engaged with physical sense data… the table my brain imagines and creates in the Kantian sense is solid and sitting there before me. The table in the lucid dream, while experienced, does not originate from the same kind of sense data. The sense data in the dream is purely mental… there are no tables around Joe as he lay there having a lucid dream. We infer from the absence of external sense data in the construction of the reality in the dream that this is not the same thing as ‘experience’.

Have you never experienced wonky stuff while awake that was similar to the kind of stuff you experience when you’re asleep that makes you realize you’re dreaming… that you’re waking up?