Carleas on Ecmandu's Trope

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Carleas. You know as much as anyone that it’s hard to let me post on these boards.

I have to constantly trick the system to be able to post here: I’m sure you can find a work around.

The question is… do people actually debate my trope? No. They don’t. I always explain it in different ways, from different angles. People never come after it.

You’ve never come after it except for a few messages. But when I replied to it, even though board members praised you. You never came after it.

People don’t debate me. They know they already lost. I’m not actually interested in hurting people. I just want to raise their level of consciousness.

If I can do that, I’ve lived a somewhat meaningful life.

If you read my messages Carleas, you’ll realize I’m teaching things nobody has taught on earth before.

I have no ego about this. It just makes me lonely.

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Ecmandu, your trope is that you’re schizophrenic.

…which isn’t a trope it’s just a thing that’s true about you and it shapes what you believe and how you post about it. There’s nothing wrong with being schizophrenic and you’re welcome here, but if I don’t engage in what you post it’s because your beliefs are disconnected from reality, your arguments are frequently disorganized, and you make connections between ideas that appear nearly random from the outside.

It is hard to let you post on ILP, because a lot of people find your preoccupations and posting style offensive or off-putting. It’s hard to understand mental illness, and it’s hard to be compassionate about it, especially where all we see is your words. Even in person, people whose minds are particularly abnormal are often received with hostility. Take away the indicia of humanity, and compassion becomes difficult.

But you’re welcome here because it’s OK to be weird, different minds are interesting. In your case, your tendency to see connections everywhere sometimes leads to interesting connections. But even if it didn’t, you’d be welcome here because being weird or off-putting or having preoccupations that are culturally taboo is not against the rules. I often move your posts to less public forums, because I don’t want ILP to becomes a site devoted to your preoccupations. But I’m not trying to stop you from discussing them or sharing your thoughts.

For a lot of your posts, though, I don’t have anything constructive to add. It feels ad hominem to just tell you that it’s schizophrenic delusions, and I’m not sure how much it would even get through. I’m not sure how much this will get through. I can understand how that could feel lonely.

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Carleas. You’re an amazing person for having compassion about things you don’t understand.
Schizophrenia doesn’t exist. The cosmos is much vaster than you understand, and some people tune into those vibrations. They’re stepping into the unknown of all existence. It’s brave of them.

But I can report. They can’t endure it. They do endure it, but they want it to go away.

When I see a person on earth enduring things most people have no comprehension of.

I think to myself… sorry. The next thing I think, is… thank you.

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John Nash was schizophrenic and some of Ecmandu’s thoughts remind me of John Rawls in a roundabout way. I think of him like Satyr. They actually seem to be saying something if you peel away the layers. How was Kierkegaard and his pseudonyms any different? And everybody loves Nietzsche somehow, even though he went completely mad (and it was apparent before he stopped publishing). What if no one ever actually engaged them? What if folks had engaged them differently than they did?

Nash was eventually able to tell delusion from reality and ignored delusion even though it was still there.

Sometimes it is difficult to tell if it’s a pseudonym, a role play—and not just with Ecmandu.

Sometimes I find your positions (Carleas) are pretty outlandish and maybe merely taken for the sake of argument.

I guess you just gotta choose your battles per post/reply.

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Personally, just like anyone. I don’t want to be misunderstood by people who misunderstand me. The greatest combination that creates poverty, war and torment is sexual proclivities used incorrectly.

I’m not allowed to have sex in the human species because of my cognitive age.

I simply show you how you hoard it to create war.

Everyone on earth asked me how to solve a greater peace. I told them the root problem was sex. They got mad at me.

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Perhaps consent violation (or failure to recognize consent) is the root problem, but the boot camp would just make the problem worse.

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I’m really thinking about what you’re saying.
Men walk around so arrogant that they don’t have to suck 100 dicks and swallow their cum or take it up the ass.

Women walk around so arrogant that they don’t fuck ugly dorks.

I don’t care if this species dies.

I’m just telling you how to save it.

It can get MUCH worse than this. But again, I’m not attached to earth surviving.

I’m just telling you what will remove psychopathy from earth.

Be yourselves, kill the earth. I don’t care. You all asked me for an answer, and I gave it to you.

Sex ed is a joke if people are clothed and not having sex

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Put this in testable terms. What makes you think it’s an objective feature of reality? To me it sounds like hallucination/delusion.

Lots of people say they see things or know things beyond what others can see or know, or that they hear the voice of god or whatever. They all have in common that they can’t show that any of that special insight actually reveals demonstrably objective facts about the world.

You can’t read minds, you can’t see the future or past, you can’t do anything that shows knowledge or ability beyond what can be expected of an American man in his 40s.

@Ichthus77, You’re absolutely right that truth-seeking has a long relationship with being mentally weird. It isn’t so surprising that people who see the world differently tend to notice things about it that others don’t. And a lot of mental weirdness is adaptive in a different time or place, or adaptive in moderation but detrimental in excess.

And I freely admit that I am mentally weird, and that also believe weird things. To the extent I am more compassionate, it is mostly that I can relate.

I don’t know much about John Nash or how he overcame his delusions (I’ve only seen the movie), but I’ve wondered about how true the depiction of his recovery is, whether he just grew out of schizophrenia (as some do), or whether he developed habits of mind to help him sort delusion from insight.

Personally, I take pains to check my beliefs against reality, I challenge my conclusions and try to hold my beliefs lightly. Part of that is playing devil’s advocate, trying to offer the best argument I can in favor of beliefs I reject, or against beliefs I hold. That helps me understand others’ views and the weaknesses in my own. I’ve been told that is weird, but I find it leads me to saner beliefs overall.

And I try to be explicit about it and I don’t intend to deceive people about what I believe, so if you ever think I’m just arguing for the sake of argument please let me know.

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OK. carleas.

Testable terms. You don’t want to know what I know. I want you to live blissfully in subjective paradise. My favorite thing in life is people who have normal interactions.

It makes me not lonely. When someone talks about how much they enjoyed their matcha, it makes me happy. Becuase I know they have a good life.

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@Carleas, the great fallacy that the scientific method spawned as a side effect in the population is the belief that, because knowledge of testability, isolation of phenomena and their repeatability produces power, everything that exists must be testable, able to be isolated at will and repeated.

There would most likely be many ununiversal phenomena that only occur here and there, are not repeatable on command, and our mere 5 senses would most likely be limited in what they can perceive - the vast majority of phenomena should likely be inaccessible to them.

And indeed, the logical narratives developed from sensory data and the scientific method do not add up to things like say, life, or cause/origin of existence, with or without the Big Bang. And many other things that are less obviously there but still widely reported throughout history.

Im certain you will easily find a way to avoid a challenge to your paradigm - as that is what paradigms do, reject challenges, but here I have one for you anyhow; Amazon.com: Extraordinary Knowing: Science, Skepticism, and the Inexplicable Powers of the Human Mind: 9780553382235: Mayer, Elizabeth Lloyd: Books

Please be so intellectually decent as to not express an opinion based on the description alone. I ask that you either read the book, or ignore this challenge altogether.

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Then don’t tell me. Do experiments on yourself and see if you’re right.

  • Predict the future and write it down privately, then read it over and see if it matches.
  • Film yourself predicting what will happen in some place at some future date, and then go film that place at that time, then watch the videos back-to-back.
  • Predict a lock combination at a store, or on a stranger’s bike, open the lock then close it again.

Ask yourself: if I were deluded, if I were hallucinating, what would I expect to see? Do I really know anything that I couldn’t have either made up or learned through normal non-universe-vibrations means?

Test yourself, rigorously. Doubt your own sanity and test it.

I think this is besides the point. Ecmandu is making claims that should be testable. If he has ever been given concrete information about the future, he can write it down before it happens and see if he’s right; if he’s been given concrete information from additional senses, he can write it down before verifying with his boring 5 senses.

I’ll try to get a hold of that book, at until then I’ll only say that her claim about the harp, whatever else it is, is a test: if dowsing works, it should be able to do things like that. That’s a test, so dowsing is testable.

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Yes, I wasn’t representing Ecmandu (he makes many claims I consider untrue) but the reality of phenomena that aren’t easily verified, because they aren’t universal and not physically defined.

You will run into a dowser rarely, you will run into weaker telepaths quite frequently, but the majority of people (at this point) is not consciously telepathic. Most will only know the common phenomenon of thinking of someone right before they call on the phone.

Cool that you’ll try to get the book.

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I’ll make this very clear.
It’s easy for me to have a wife with two kids and a yard.
But at what cost?

That’s the question I pose to all of you.

You want me to be a telepath again? You’ll lose,

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I want to make this very clear to the human population.
I have no problem with humans. You’re ALL innocents in my eyes.
There is one being that has quite the army and is using you as pawns.
When you’re on that level, it’s very easy to possess beings without them knowing it.
This being is fighting for its life.

It’s using every tactic in its arsenal, which is vast.

humans, please know this. I’m not after you.

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I’m not allowed to have sex in the human species because of my cognitive age.

Once one becomes high iq enough, one begins to notice the Amy’s of the world only love the Sonics…

As you are high iq already, I’m sure you are aware…

Everyone on earth asked me how to solve a greater peace. I told them the root problem was sex. They got mad at me.

The root problem is something about the y chromosome and how it influences politicians and ceos… Males simply provide the infrastructure as foot soldiers (by that I mean literal foot soldiers.) The problem of war thus continues

Obviously, the solution is to modify the chromosomes in some way..

A Futarani mutation would thus strike two pins with one ball… Fixing all sexual woes while vanquishing conflicts and the concept of foes…

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It is quite obvious that psychic powers are real…

No I am not going to go on some obstacle course sponsored by Richard Dawkins to prove it to you…

There’s nothing to debate about it, I don’t have all the answers, I just know there is something there… and this doesn’t mean I can predict all the winning lottery numbers for you

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Sonics are frustrating. The are often very old and they use information to try to control you or to get you to commit suicide: they are bullies but, on a way, higher level than internet bullies. A lesser mind actually thinks they are god.

One tactic they use is to predict your future. It works, unless you can beat them in debate.
Most people aren’t that smart. They make people feel powerless.

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Here’s your problem, maybe.
You think that you have a greater or higher level of consciousness than others. Sadly that is part of your delusion.
Part of contributing to a debate or discussion is the ability to listen to others and to try to understand that they also have their own world view, which cannot be the same as yours. And whilst there may be very many reasons you can find why one world view would be better, - who says what might be better?
Why would that be your one? Maybe you have something to learn - so that you can raise your own level of consciousness??

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I want to explain a little more about this if you’re interested.
I’m not debating humans. Your souls have been compromised.
I’m debating a being that has the power to possess you without you knowing it.
One thing I know is that you’ll all come to your senses.
The army is vast for this being. This being has even done damage to my body.
Doing damage to my body is EXTREMELY hard.
The power is so seductive to a human, that people will do things they can’t imagine when they get that power, or see that power.
It’s a little dramatic for my taste, but that’s how the world currently works.
I can always tell which soul is in which soul.
This being is SCARED!!!
It knows condemnation has been immanent for some time. It’s using the last of its power.
Just make it feel at home. If this being wants to forever walk this path, let it wither.

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Sculptor & Ecmandu are both whack. Sculptor is like - nobody’s worldview can agree, and nobody can decide which competing belief is better & counts as something you should actually learn, and Ec is like… come to your senses… like I never wanna do.