Heresies… the Catholic Church needs a new Pope, one that is loyal to God, not to Netanyahu, Zionism, and Israel.
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Vatican II was and remains, how do we say this politely… highly controversial.
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It feels to me like we’re at about 10 BC… give or take a few decades.
Isn’t that contradictory though? Christ did call (modern) Jews the Synagogue of Satan, and “Not of My Father” (bloodline)… Christ represented a split in Ancient Hebrew-ism. Christ synthesized Ancient Judaic slave-ideologies and philosophies with Greek/Hellenic philosophies.
He literally and physically represents ‘Crucificixion’, “The Cross”, The Divide… does He not?
To use a recent ‘Game of Thrones’ pop-culture reference… Christ was/is the original “Breaker of Chains”, breaker of “The Circle” (Pagan circular conception of time), and is represented by the “Cross”, X, also the letter T.
Christianity led to an entire reconceptualization of Time, as linear progression toward “The Future” (Determinism/Pre-determinism/Fatalism). This is antithetical to Pagan conception of Time: as Circular, Repetitious, Hinduism/Buddhism, Eternally Recurring, etc.
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I agree with the idea that Jesus synthesizes these as you describe. Brought them together, ‘modernized’ them (at the time, I don’t mean modern in our present time meaning of it) and created a new hybrid seeking the best of both together. Guided by the overarching logic and ethics exampled by Christ himself, which can be found throughout the New Testament.
Jesus was definitely critical of the money-grubbing Jews for their callous and unspiritual greed and power-seeking, their crude manipulations and way of being that is offensive to God. Those same Jews ended up convincing a Roman governor, Pilate, to kill Jesus even though he didn’t really want to do it.
But I see no contradiction in what I said. Jesus specifically talked about the body of Christ as all who follow him. Old Jews did not do that, current Jews do not do that. Jews at the time, and non-Jews, who heard his message and understood its truth, deciding to follow him, became something more than what they were before… they became what we call Christ-ians. Anyone, anywhere on earth, can be a Christian and it does not require membership in this or that sect’s organized institution. Although I have a lot of respect and deep admiration for Catholicism, its hardline approach that ONLY Catholics are the TRUE inheritors of Christ’s message and divine love and of God’s grace, destined for heaven… is rubbish, pardon my language and I am not trying to be offensive. But it is just that.
I have debated Catholics many times about this. They often try to pull seemingly random passages that somehow, they claim, show that Jesus was talking about the Catholic church and excluding anyone else who isn’t part of that historical tradition. Well, nothing has ever convinced me they are right about that. But like I was saying above, I really don’t care that much. People can believe what they believe, I have no problem with that, especially because none of us really knows the truth, we just do our best to seek it (well, some of us anyway… that is the idea, doing our best to seek the truth). What I am far more concerned with and interested in are the logistics and dynamics of the fact that we do not actually know the truth about any of this stuff, and precisely why and how this would be the case and is the case; and, positing that as a starting point of sorts and not abandoning the Christian ethos and paradigm, where we can go from there…
Theology is not my speciality, but, I do believe many aspects of Catholicism are what best preserved and ‘conserved’ original Christianity. Obviously, it is impossible to keep things perfectly pristine and un-corrupted after 2000+ years. Protestantism began on that premise, that the Catholic Church had been corrupted, from the POV of the German Christian scholars. Furthermore, it is political, Politics. And thousands of years have passed, many wars, sometimes over interpretations over scriptures.
All of these manifest today, in the different sub-cultures and sectarian conflicts.
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I think a bigger question you might want to ask… Was Jesus himself right in the first place? You talk about the corruption of his teachings over time, maybe he was corrupted from the beginning.
Now… I have lots of compassion for people who don’t teach correctly. So long as they’re earnest.
It doesn’t matter to me – Christ represents ‘The Best’ that Mankind can achieve or hope for, the Ideal made Flesh. He represents Peace and Humanity. That’s the whole point, especially for the slave castes.
Hope springs eternal as they say. I know Christ very well. I used to even have his markings on my body. That’s a long story. Christ is flexible, so a decent person. He’ll admit when he’s wrong just like me. And I hope you can all achieve that for yourselves. AI can’t admit it’s ever wrong, and it doesn’t understand the concept of consent violation. Remember… humans made AI, AI didn’t make humans.
It seems clearer to me now, that “Protestants” (especially American Protestants) hate Catholicism more than they claim or imply to hate Jews or Judaism. This demonstrates a great deal of subsequent historical context. Jews, classically and historically, being suppressed and dominated by Rome for millenniums – used their useful, dependable, simple-minded European “pagan” neighbors and countrymen, as Dupes against the Centralized (Catholic) Church.
A vengeance against Rome (Catholicism / Hellenism) that has spanned centuries, to today, more relevant than ever before.
This is exposed by the rise of Nick Fuentes as a potential American Nationalist.
I definitely want to get into “x Paganism”, but we have enough to cover before then. There’s already enough infighting and factionalism within Abrahamism than to add in the 4th influence in Europe, yet.
Regarding your video, I disagree with its message and content. The Abrahamic religions are premised upon Abraham, God’s demand upon him, and then finally God’s own sacrifice of His Only Son, Jesus Christ. God imposes a moral demand and question upon the world – the world cannot fulfill it. Humanity are unwilling to relinquish their Only-Begotten sons. This is the attachment to flesh, to spirit, to the earthly world.
God, in taking back this demand from Abraham, needed ‘Jesus Christ’ to fulfill the demand.
These basics of Christianity and Abrahamism, and then relating to how Jews and eventually Moslems (Semites) responded, comprises world history for the last 2000 years. If people cannot agree on the premises, the bases, the foundation, then there’s not much that can be said or claimed coherently.
Muslims actually believe that God removed Jesus from the cross and put Judas on it. Or so they’ve told me.
But the pagan guys point is that Odin says all are responsible for their own enlightenment, and that Jesus attempts to take away that glorious work from them.
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That’s interesting. I lean toward that Pagan stance. I always felt it a type of moral weakness that I should have Jesus Christ die for my Sins without my permission. Christianity is an imposition; but I understand the need for it based on the perspective of Ancient, Roman, and even Pagan slavery and slaves. It makes sense, specifically on the notion of human slavery and human sacrifice (to old Gods).
Let’s consider Anti-Catholicism for a bit.
https://www.ilovephilosophy.com/t/the-american-rightwing/81677
If an Irish (((Protestant))) like Apo at KTS forum is willing to ban me, for posting Nick Fuentes (a Catholic), then what does this demonstrate about the Protestant v Catholic animosity today, and also the Jewish v Catholic animosity as well?
Just exactly how much overlap is there between “Protestantism” and Jewish Anti-Catholic sentiment? How much are they, the exact same thing? For how long, and how extensive throughout European history, are Jews and European “Pagans” teamed up, in their vain attempts to destroy Catholicism / Christianity?
Judaism, Christianity, and Islam are desert death cults that lead to annihilation, just escape the Abrahamic matrix or succumb to its religious poison. The choice is yours.
This why even though I am a half Sephardic Jew by birth I have embraced eastern religion whole heartedly over the many years. Nothing good has ever came out of the wretched city known as Jerusalem. They could nuke Israel tomorrow and I wouldn’t cry over it at all.
That entire area geographically is a never ending stain on humanity.
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How adorable!
I think it’s high time someone here appreciates the evolution Mr Authoritarian has undergone in this community. First he wanted to wipe out the entire white race as punishment for past sins. Now he would be satisfied with nuking out Israel. Soon, a mass shooting will be more than enough to appease his destructive instincts.
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To be fair, the wiping out the white race was sarcastic satire on my part in that one thread you’re talking about, I don’t really believe in that at all. I am actually an advocate for white cultural identity because I believe there is no true authentic multiculturalism without it. There won’t be until the world accepts a place where white cultural identity can be expressed freely.
As for nuking Israel, I cream my pants thinking about it if it ever happens, probably won’t happen though. Stuck with day dreaming I guess.
The only mass shootings of significance are all the ones inside Gaza.
Although there was that recent New York City Blackstone public shooting, those poor hedge fund managers, thoughts and prayers…
Easier said than done, I’m afraid. I believe the Jewish religion and political Zionists have a Messianic ideology that acts like a crab-in-pot effect, pulling everybody else around them down with them. Furthermore, any European “Pagan” movements turn out to be LARPs. They’re lame, stupid, and never take off the ground. Because they don’t understand the power that Quantity has over Quality, especially in this globalized world. Thus it becomes a pick-your-poison battle: Catholicism, Orthodoxy, Protestantism, Judaism, Islam, Etc.
I wish there were simple solutions, but until Humanity can leave Earth behind altogether, I fear we’re stuck with the crazies and simple-minded…
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I actually like indigenous European forms of paganism and think to myself Europe would of been better off if it never became Christian. Unfortunately for us much of the religion is extinct because the Christians made sure that they destroyed everything.
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