Cats vs. Dogs

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Cats and Dogs are the same to train, their minds are like 2 year old humans. Each animal has a distinct personality some listen very well and learn quickly others require more patcience.

The myth that cats are highly independent keeps owners from interacting with their cats as much as they should or could. Cats are highly loving social creatures in general. A dog will be independent if it is not socialized either. Consider all the dog attacks. Most of these dogs attack becasue they were not socialized, others attack because they have been so inbred that attack is instinctual.

The female human like a cat? The male human like a dog? Dogs tend to be more horny then cats thats for sure. A dog will hump anything that moves. A cat tends to be pickier. Cats and dogs both beg equally well. They both can be very sneaky.
If emotionally hurt they both will sulk. Cats communicate their hurt feelings urinating or defecating on items that belong to the person who insulted them. Dogs just chew things be it their own foot or a favored toy. Violence of such nature is more common for the dog. Cats do not get violent over insult they just let you know they are pissed then ignore you until you fix the hurt. Both require love and attention from those they love.

However; A dog will pick up cat traits and a cat will pick up dog traits if they are raised together. They become both cat and dog. Which makes for quite the interesting animal. Now have a whole household of these socialized animals and life becomes very interesting for they tend to pick up human traits as well if humans interact with them above the norm.

While dogs cats and humans have their own nature , nurture overcomes nature readily with enough love and patience or abuse and anger. However an animal is nurtured is how it will be. The exceptions to this are the feral animals or wild animals. Nature tends to be far too strong in the untamed and unsocialized animals. This includes humans.

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house cats are sorta adapted to living with humans, even though they can be massively independent.

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Some can, most will not be if they recieve interaction. Even most trainers believe the only way to train a cat is with treats and quick sharp noise. Thats a load of crap. They train the same as a dog. Dogs tend to get more social interaction because they are believed to be social. Cats are believed to be independent, non social. That is why people get independent non social cats. They train them that way.

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To do all kinds of tricks on cue, like: catching frisbees, jumping in the water and retrieving things, sitting, lieing, rolling over, barking/biting, pulling a sled, etc. Some of these tasks are redundant in that they serve no other apparent purpose than to display the obedient behavior of the dog.

[Why do people have dog training competitions? Why is it important to show off to others how well trained your dog is? Why would one have a dog in a first place?]

The success rate of training the dog (vs. a cat) is higher. Dogs are pack animals and will do your bidding because they will see you as alpha. Cats, by nature, are more solitary. They may form partnerships with other cats, but they remain more or less independent.

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No, people don’t imagine that dogs are more social than house cats, they are, by nature.

Cats are social with humans, but they don’t adhere to social structures quite as readily as dogs do, they also are ‘naturally’ inclined to such things pretty well.

Cats are fairly social too or at least they can be, and they can be trained easily too.

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and f uck saying that dogs and cats are good pets for different sexes.

they’re good pets for anyone interested in say, animal biology, or the specific biology of either of them.

My fascination with the species of cat which is house-cat, has a lot to do with the fact that they’re highly highly specialized killing machines which can hunt/kill over a thousand species of prey.

Cats will catch a rabbit in full flee mode, and then torture it by tearing at its skin, peeling at its skin, then it’ll play with it.

cats.are.brutal.

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The play that cats do with their prey is not play but practice and training. As true predators they must be able to fight. They seemingly torture their prey but its not done for amusement. It is done so that they can beat the hell out of their competition. As predators they spend most of their time in liesure. So they have to combine actions. Food and practice fighting allows for that. They are actually fighting their food.

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Whether or not its training its play. Whether or not cats do this to defenceless animals for ‘training’ (or more accurately to avoid the tiny bites that can cause infection in the wild.) they’re still playing. When you throw a cat a toy and it ‘plays’ with the toy, it does the exact same thing to real live mice.

It seems to enjoy it intensely and its throwing shit into the air and running around.

Thats like saying hide and seek isn’t play because adults in hunter-gatherer communities use those skills to hunt down and kill people. People engage in a lot of playing that everyone in the world calls playing, which we probably only do for the exact reasons cats engage in ‘play’.

lots of games played cross culturally have a team on team componet. increasing people’s skills working together as a group against another group. More specificly its a lot of strength and endurance training, on top of that, games like hide and seek which have had their historical variants and exist cross-culturally, take on a pretty sinister look, if you consider what these people would use those skills for in NORMAL human environments. (hunter-gatherer ones)

its still play.

developing skills for killing stuff is play, ,using those skills while killing things, is still play, even if it serves a purpose.

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I don’t know what a house-cat (a well fed house-cat all its life) is doing, catching and skinning a rabbit and then leaving it there uneaten. Whats it training for exactly? It has the skill to hunt/kill rabbits.

If you put more than one mice half injured. a housecat could walk around playing/killing them without eating them.

A cats hunting/killing skills can be perfected* and it’ll still do these senseless acts in certain circumstances. Because a surplus of food and mice wasn’t a normal evolutionary encounter for the cat, its normal for the cat to do this.

But its still play by any standard.

and no thats bullshit they don’t ‘fight’ rabbits, they don’t fight birds, they don’t ‘fight’ mice, its not practice for fighting. Thats what kitten fighting is for. They lock onto a defenceless animal and then in the rabbits case skin it alive while the rabbit fucking squeals, or in the case of the mouse, they throw it around like a toy attached to a string.

AS much as stepping on a chicken’s neck prepares me to fight.

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Cats spend up to 20 hours a day at liesure, sleeping. Are they amused by the actions they do, no more so then any kid writing a report. If you watch cats fight you will see the killing tactics of their “play”. The tossing in the air is a common tactic for one cat to do to another it causes the other cat to be off balance and make them vunurable. They can’t actually toss another cat into the air but they can throw and push them off balance by using the same motion that they use with their prey. A larger cat will throw a smaller one if the size difference is great.

The training is more for fighting competition for the well fed house cats that leave their prey uneaten.

The uneaten food is left for the rest of their pride/ pack. Cats kill for their pride/ pack /family. They will generally drag the carcass to an area that their family is at. This behavior differs from canines. A canine will eat itself sick or hide the remains so that ony it can eat it later. Dogs do not share very well unless taught. Cats share the wealth. I generally pick up little dead bodies every day in the front yard near our porch. They have been brought to the family in order to share the kill. If you only have one cat you should note they will leave it where you can find it. The cat is sharing its food with you. They take care of their own very well. An amusing note: We have one cat that kills only stray flying plastic bags blown about by wind and brings them to share with the family. That is her bizzare prey of choice. She won’t hunt animals. :unamused:

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Which they learn as kittens. I’ve also seen cats do this to other cats when it was raised alone and didn’t have access to anything but catfood from the store. So try your fucking bullshit somewhere else.

Which doesn’t support your nonsense that a cat torturing a mouse or a rabbit has anything to do with learning how to fight. The real reason they do it, is to avoid the nicks, scratches and tiny bites, which are a real problem in the wild. That and fun.

When a cat drops a mouse at a human’s foot or brings it back to its mother or kittens or etc this is true. When a c at engages in killing, which it doesn’t eat and doesn’t deliver to others to eat, its an issue of a ‘surplus kill’ or an offshoot of that. Animals can engage in ‘surplus killing’ when their instincts are set off. Theres cases of wolves killing dozens of mouse calves and leaving them their to freeze, and etc.

IN most cases every time a cat comes across a rabbit its a life/death situation, or it will be in a few days with no food. So the cats instincts propel it to kill, whether it wants to eat it right then, whether it has family to feed, or not. Animals, predatory animals, can have their instincts set off in ways that end up in torture or killing, but afterwords they leave the carcass to rot. Its rare with wild animals, not so rare with house-cats.

Which is delivering a prize. thats a social action. Thats not always what happens though. Not by a long shot. and again, that has nothing to do with ‘fighting’ the torture they laid on the mouse before bringing it home, they didn’t need to do that. They did it to protect their paws from nips, they tire prey out by playing with it. If they enjoy tiring/injuring animals so as to avoid injury, it serves a purpose but its still play.

Not true. Plenty of dogs have a social pecking order a lot more rigid than cats. cats can be social though. Your poitn about cats being social earlier isn’t neccessarily true either, they can be social and they can be independent.

The fucking point is that not every kill is brought to the door. I have watched my house-cats torture rabbits that they left in a field far away from my house uneaten. I’ve seen a lot of other people’s cats do this too. The notion because cats leave presents for you (Which they do) means they never just torture an animal to death and leave it their, is mistaken.

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  1. cats kill things that they don’t always eat or bring home to their human hosts.
  2. the killing envovles a long process in which the cat usually purrs and engages in play and excitement like it does with house toys.
  3. Its not for the bullshit reason you think it is. Stepping on a chicken’s neck doesn’t prepare me to fight anything. Killing a mouse or rabbit for a c at doesn’t prepare it to fight other thigns, it certainly can increase its skill at hunting and not getting dangerous rabbit or mouse nips, though.

IF my cat is engaging in play when i drag a string across a floor with a mouse attached to it. He’s engaging in play when he does the exact same thing to a real live mouse.

it serves a purpose but play is play.

Is it play if a hunter-gatherer makes a game out of shooting other people with arrows? yes, if he’s enjoying it and playing it like a game.

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Its not leaving a present, it is leaving food for survival of its pride. If the cat leaves the prey afield then it has no acknowledged pride or pack. It went hunting for practice. Large wild cats(tigers, lions etc.) sleep up to twenty hours aday also. The time they are in action is strictly for hunting, eating, defining their territory or mating if there is a a female in heat. A cat may live with other cats in the same household but they will not necessarily consider the other feline a member of its pride, they won’t necessarily consider the human as a member of its pride. It has to be socialized for this to occur. Kittens that are removed from their birth home often are solitary unless they have a lot of interaction with the humans or other animals. They must be heavily socialized because, they are predominantly carnivores. Dogs are more omnivores.

Dogs have a strict heirarchy but, it is not more so then felines. They just are louder and more dangerous. If a cat is losing a fight the other cats in its pride will attack it , the same with dogs. The canine and the feline are the same in this heirarchal challenge. When dogs converge and attack their masters it is because they sense the master is losing the fight, they will join in the attack of the human. Cats on the other hand won’t. They won’t attack a human 99% of the time. Nor will they attack any thing larger then them most of the time unless it is prey. They only attack if threatened or hunting They tend to flee from larger predators. Dogs tend to attack rather than flee. Even little dogs depending upon their nurture or nature. There is always the exceptions to the generaized rule due to human breeding interference. We have changed feline and canine traits through Eugenics.

Dogs socialize easier but, they tend to be more self centered in the food and hunt. A pack of dogs will kill and then then fight for the remains. Cats don’t fight over a kill in general, not even the large cats. The cats will wait until the dominant cat eats its fill then the rest come in and eat in the order of their status. Dogs force this, Cats accept this.

You can say this is all Bullshit it does not bother me. I have had to study this way too much and way too long, so I know what I say is right.

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Hopefully people see that the analogy I used between cats being seen as feminine and dogs being seen as masculine is commonplace… (at least)

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Actually in a way you are correct. Not for the things you pointed out though. They both are dangerous, they both are intelligent hunters. they both hunt either solitary or in packs. Both are adaptable. Pound for pound though the feline is the more dangerous one. The feline is more unpredictable then the dog. When backed into a corner the dog will generally submit before it dies, the feline won’t. If it does submit then it is just a ploy to throw you off guard. Never touch a cat that is backed into a corner and looking submissive. You will be bleeding. So yes I would say that in these ways feline female, dog male.

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I see the first post as a funny thing to read and that’s all, because overall it’s bizzare to understand. There are dogs out there and they are someone’s dog but you can’t even get close to them, then how can anyone claim they are tamed or anyone can tame them?! The way some people judge things about this Dogs & Cats case is like they judge people and society. They judge it in general, and in this way you miss many many things. Claiming Women like Cats beause of this and Men like Dogs because of that is so strange to understand. Anyone can love one particular pet as I know many men that are always Cats’ fans and vice versa girls that love dogs.

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Yeah, generalizations can be useful, but not when they’re made to this kind of extent.
It just becomes silly, because it’s so clear to see the multitude of instances to which they can’t apply.
It’s just comedy really.
This is what happens when people get bored with masturbating.

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Mmyes, men are dogs! :evilfun: :laughing:

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I must be crazy…