Censorship

[HVD]

I was just thinking about how they banned that abortion ad from airing because of distressing images of discarded foetuses. It got me wondering, Just how much are kids minds being polluted by obscenity. I decided to find out, and investigated some well known kids stories.

The Little Mermaid - amputation of tongue, suicide, impaling

Jack and The Beanstalk - trespassing, robbery, cannibalism, murder by beanstalk chopping

Hansel and Gretel - child abuse, child abandonment, destruction of property, imprisonment, starvation, forced feeding, murder by oven, conspiracy to commit cannibalism

Wizard of Oz - decapitation, full limb amputation, kidnapping, imprisonment, attempted murder, death by falling house, contract killing, murder by melting.

Sleeping Beuty - rape, attempted cannibalism

Little red Riding Hood - attempted double homiceide by eaing, murder by chopping

Emperor’s New Clothes - full male nudity

I think the solution is obvious folks. Ban all fairy tales, or at least give them an 18 rating and put them on the top shelf.

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[chloe]

interestingly some psychologists say that fairy tales play an important role in introducing children to brutality.

but it is odd where education becomes pollution.

[Pangloss]

Are we to be hid from brutality. Are children to be encouraged to live their lives in denial of the fact competition exists. Competition for limited resources (in survival) and for limited power (in realising one’s own perfection).
Without being shown the deadly effect competition can have on those who are excluded, children can never learn co-operation, and how to economise our matierial and emotional resources.
By presenting brutality (what I have previously defined as the central tenent of the ‘imperfect’ world) in a theh setting of such fairy tales, I feel we are corrupting children. Corrupt is a strong word. I will explain. Brutality is presented as evil. The rest is good. Good is what we want. It is happiness/utility/perfection, whatever you may call it. A child’s morality is built around the basic structure of there being a good and an evil. That every action has its consequence - good/evil. I wish to go beyond good and evil: to perfection and imperfection. This simplification of the vast web that makes up questions of morality and ethics, I would argue prepares a child far better for the tough journey ahead. This being living in a world where we all overlap. Sometimes for good. Sometimes for bad.
Perfection is an abstract idea of where we are all aiming for. I’ve described it as ‘salvation’ from the imperfect real world we live in. I’m looking for a more scientific term than ‘salvation’, so I can understand it more clearly. The same goes for ‘perfection’.
We want perfection once the material need, the need to survive (physically) has been satisfied. A new struggle will come out of every solution, hypothesis, thesis to a problem that we solve. This is Chaos, or antithesis, born out of ‘motion’ and time, and the fact that we are motile. This new ‘struggle’ or ‘aim’, or even ‘instinct’ of humanity’s (belonging) is that of and for perfection.

Fairy tales present to us beauty, which is something we need to understand to reach a realisation of our own perfection. Yet the beauty is sight of good in the face of evil, instead of the sight of perfection in the face of imperfection. Perfection which is (if you bear with me) in the face of reality.
Is this not good for a child’s ability to dream, to develop the important ability to imagine. Yes, but I would argue that whilst imagination is more important than knowledge (I’ll leave that to another time), one cannot imagine anything, if there is no knowledge, no matter, or no substance, to imagine with. The subject of imagination. If one can only imagine with the knowledge that one has, then when the imagination is let loose and used to develop an individual’s own ‘sea’ of morality any false knowledge will create a morality for that individual which is incompatible with the real (‘imperfect’) world. If the knowledge of the world which constitutes morality is the knowledge of there being good and evil, and this knowledge comes from within our own perception of perfection, then perfection and imperfection are confused as good is only seen in our warped perception of ‘perfection’. It is therefore impossible to find perfection in the real world, as imperfection is always present in the realms of what we see as good and evil. This loophole therefore makes salvation unattainable. Perfection is a lost caused. Using the universal algorithm, that is Nash’s equilibrium, if people put their need to survive and their need to find perfection in a different perspective, that of helping themselves and the group, instead of just themselves (which leads to competition, conflict, brutality), they would realise the great flaw in presenting us with good and evil, rather than perfection and imperfection. Good and evil is the stuff of imagination. We cannot resist it. It has no motion. It makes us see the world within a ‘then-and-us’ complex. If people saw perfection (what there is to aim for) and imperfection (what currently exists in our unsound good/evil:competitive world/universe), they would be more atu

[Pangloss]

Sorry about the way I present my argument as if it IS final. This is that. Therefore that is that. Not good.
I don’t intend to come across as anything other than open-minded on this issue, which is incidentally starting to consume me (though not too much).
A theory I worked out yesterday is being presented in patches across this website, and I’d like people to respond to it critically, though sympathetically at first. brrlrlrlrl. What I mean is to fully understand it before you attack it and tear it to shreds.
The nature of the sort of questions that are asked by topic starters make them not only respondable in terms of my theory, but posed in a slightly open-ended way which encourages the development of the theory.
So thanx.
Do the smilies dumb down what I’ve said?

[Kriswest]

The day they change fairy tales to a moderate or PC tone is when literature takes a great big nose dive into censorship and makes all the past indifferent or non existant.

Kids need those links to their parents it is something that is shared and loved, it gives them something to talk about on equal footing. changing them will do more harm then good.

[someoneisatthedoor]

@Kriswest

The day they change fairy tales to a moderate or PC tone is when literature takes a great big nose dive into censorship and makes all the past indifferent or non existant.

Kids need those links to their parents it is something that is shared and loved, it gives them something to talk about on equal footing. changing them will do more harm then good.

What is it with you and 4 year old threads?

[Kriswest]

Originals! Not old, but, classics revived! I only did two anyway They were on the last page towards the bottom. So whacha think?