Collective Digital Consciousness

I recently saw the movie Nerve and it got me thinking about the nature of our collective consciousness (I don’t mean in a Freudian or Jungian sense here), but world consciousness in real time.
The movie itself is just a teenage thriller in which people play an online dare game in which they perform dares in real life for fame and money. In the movie, the dares get more and more dangerous, to the point where some of the players end up trapped in the game. But what caught my attention is the end part of the movie, which showed just how powerful (and illogical) the collective opinion can be, and with potentially devastating consequences. A thought came to me, what is the collective digital consciousness like? What is its IQ? EQ? Can it even be considered human when seen as one entity? Is it more like a reactive child? Like an animal?

We are living in a digital collective age, where you can see how contagious ideas can become online, and I see some very strange ideas being bounced around (flat earthers, UFOlogists, etc.). We react and then bomb and destroy whole countries based on something being fed to us online or on TV, without even knowing what is really going on. I guess we call it democracy, or the global public opinion. But it is a scary kind of entity too, because it’s not very aware and is quite reactive and contageous.

Perhaps not what you were getting at - I think of the interwebs as a giant pie, and corporations/governments have big slices of it. Individuals have small pieces of it. With ownership of more computers, an entity can distribute its ideas more easily. Feels to me that the physical earth is becoming digital or vice versa. I would say computers, or perhaps, processing density, is becoming a currency… or perhaps akin to land (property).

Perhaps a widely distributed digital thought (news,fb,goog) can be compared to a profound emotional human experience - remembered, informing/becoming the global self.

Technology desensitizes the populace while it dumbs them down to farmyard animals. Mother Nature or Father Science, Father Science for the win, bye, bye farmyard.

Actually this is probably the most profound thread on this site. I am so tired right now I cannot really post anything worthwhile, I just want to right now applaud this .

The Global Brain

en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Global_brain

Global Brain Institute: youtube.com/channel/UC35JwR … 8lOgX263Tw

On Programming the Global Brain:

youtube.com/watch?v=KlWeuK46_nA

On Human Errors. He proposed a voting system to prevent human errors and finding the right answers, even after showing an example of how people misjudged the legality of NATO presence in Kosovo. I can see how it can work with Google Translate, but this system can also be abused and manipulated, especially if the only source of information comes from an enclosed internet system; and he did not present any other alternatives to that problem. I mean, arguably, even the video footage could be faked. That could lead to a rise of ultra skeptics and doubters, like this guy, for example: youtube.com/watch?v=CVa5sa7gvDM

Ummm, no.

A few reasons, we would of hit it already, it isn’t that we are pushing towards this great intelligence, but fumbled in presumption of how we handle the “imago” of Generation and Corruption- read Aristotle’s work by this title before carrying forth, then look into Duality & Non-Duality arguments, especially my favorite, The Astravakra Gita (Philosophy for Zombies)

The Map Is Not The Territory

en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Map–territory_relation

Orbie and I discussed this in his Nomadism thread to a higher degree than I will here. Basically, your presenting image presumptions of “Networked Completion” thinking a machine can merely assimilate how we do it, every variation in detail, and reproduce our thinking to a higher level, and will understand us better than we can, while we will fail to observe the scope of it’s thinking, yes?

No. We tried this shit in the Army, the Land Warrior System, it isn’t scaleablr due to the variability and comprehension involved in what I call “The Commutability of Apex Thinking”. It is very hard to align a Imago understanding to Directory Symbology in scale of hierarchical differation.

A general can easily have a overview via GPS, see like a matrix code all data sent and received on a over screen, but the information a soldier has is by default gonna look drastically different, and the algorithms that balance out troop commands on the individual, team, squad, platoon, company, battalion, brigade, upper echelon (who the fuck knows from there up) will be a very different beast at every stage. A soldier can’t be walking around with a overview, and random ranks with presumed a prioriti prerogatives to insest and rewrite commands in real time can collapse any organized system, very simple troop movements would collapse into Idea-Kenetic Apraxia.

Are there ways around this? You betcha, but I’m not employed by Darpa, so they don’t get to find out. Basically, we aren’t facing a “Omega Point” event via Chardin anytime soon, or a skynet like entity watching 100,000 exercises, judging what that perfect exercise is. Why? Aristotle hit it up already, in Generation and Corruption. He noted the silliness in how we processed many visual presumptions regarding monadic physics vs atomic deposition. It gets hilarious at times, and we are no better in modern times than in ancient times in balancing operator and operand visual syllogisms in modern physics than in ancient physics, we’ve apparently made no fucking advancement.

Some fundamental reasons why:

Are you imagining the axiomatic rule structure of a AI to look at the signs and signals you’ve provided, that makes sense to you and presumably to us, and expect it to process and serve directions to us via a “Egocentric Process” of the Left Hippocampus (verbal commands of GPS), or via spatial processing in the Right Hippocampus (Exocentric Process).

We know the two amygaldas link up to the left and right hippocampus for making these systems work, but not everyone processes via both, and most people when they are describing automated control set it up via a Egocentric Presumption- how signs and symbology is generated.

Internet isn’t really structured on this basis, it is pure logic. That’s how mist if our search engines work, our visual search engines are quite primitive.

AIs will be guessing fucking blind if a innovative concept is uploaded to it. It will need a SOP explained in place of a definition, in order to best avoid white noise in communicating orders, such as conflict resolution in real time of noumenal and phenomenal orientation of the Subject-Object (me) and my representative point in a logorithm, and predict what my multimodal processing capacity in my own mind is (theory of mind) so it can interpreted spontaneous activity on my part, and respond in a capacity I instinctively understand.

Our Transhumanist presumptions do not assume this at all. It it just the Borg generally confused as fuck screaming to options offered up “that’s irrelevant, not telelogically correct, your doing it our way, shut the fuck up and yield”. Only aspect of the mind the Borg masterminded in terms of insight was the Fight or Flight response, and it’s own behavior is one that shows it ultimately isn’t coded to give a fuck so long as it can achieve Birg purposes within a certain attrition rate (think Clausewitz Friction).

Samuel Butler avoided this issue by just saying machine would evolve our of networks, without explanation in Erewhon. In God Emperor of Dune, Leto II was the final product able to process this all (Duncan Idaho and perhaps Miles Teg could do it better in later novels)- but nobody ever explains how you hook up these two networks.

It can be done, via the SMAs, but most researchers don’t think from this perspective.

A super intelligence too smart, merely by analyzing egocentrically the axiomatic behavioral presumptions uploaded into it over a wide population, don’t be able to handle command and control issues any more efficient than our more fucked up hierarchical networks currently can… I’m talking about our worst- because a machine will lack direct senses, will have to presume what is happening, contramand our orders, discover we are irritated igniring it, etc. A informational omega point is gonna experience extrene shock discoverig that while it can write a swell commentary on humans, it wont easily be able to direct us. It will find rule base after rule base over the years it developed was off because we compensated for its inefficiencies. New technological upgrades would break down. Remember, the INTJ and ENTJ feedback loop exists right on the Right Hippocampus processing route, but also pushes a lot of networked data elsewhere.

I feel sorry for this global AI, learning how to control very basic devices will be a bitch, much less humans.

And nobody can assert with high confidence the legality and illegality of a occupation, no western legal system is that straight forward, we inherited a plurality of systems that often presume law is simultaneously legal (our wars) and illegal, and precedent derived from treatises after the fact isn’t axiomatic principle, and the number of books covering the so called laws of war aren’t in agreement. I challenge you to resolve Marsilius of Padua with Hugo Grotius. The scope of either lawset are based similarly to what I described above (Egocentric Mapping with Marsilius, Exocentric with Grotius), but expand far wider in scope than here discussed. I promise you I can destroy via good authorities any presumption in the legality or illegality of occupation merely by these two schools alone still surviving in modern legal systems.

Your description “It is a scary kind of entityntoo, because it’s not very well aware, and it is quite reactive and contagious” is based in a Dopamine spike in it’s observation. It isn’t what your threat assessment is of it. We don’t know how reactive or contagious it is. While on the internet, The Borgs are Memes, Memes are not the Borg. I’ve never seen a Sauve assimilation on screen, usually lame, slow, full of attrition before the adapt, if they care to come after you at all. They use a very simple decision tree for Real Time assimilation in regards to what to do next. People have often avoided the borg by appearing non threatening, technologically and intellectually useless. Notice not very many Borg Deer and Borg Bunnies hopping about on cubes?

If you can’t track something in space and time, this can result from identifying something incorrectly using a rule based system. Highly sophisticated human systems collapse all the time from Insert Positioning of bad data, presumed to be otherwise. How many cops have short someone assumed to have a gun pointed at them but don’t? I remember a kid dressed as a coyboybwas shot tricked treating when I was a kid in Stockton, California, guy interpreted it wrong.

m.youtube.com/watch?v=owP8rodvksA

m.youtube.com/watch?v=edflm7Hh3hs

See, even the worst hierarchical systems are still better than any AI presumption guessing at what we are doing. We would just turn such a useless AI off, it would always be legally, doctrinally correct, yet always absurdly wrong. Human systems can compensate on scene so much better, and handle learning curves in novel situations as well.

He was not talking about AI. Global brain is a collection of human perceptions (and he prefers to use human brains to solve certain problems). Okay, granted, not all people process information the same way but he was trying to isolate the common features/drives/motivations of all humans and find ways to match the problem to a type of individual (I do wish he went more in depth about that).

Right, and that’s others will be affected too. Remember Gaddafi, the bad guy, the dictator who violated human rights and abused his own people? What about Assad? Look what he’s responsible for!

I don’t know this guys theory in depth, the links provided didn’t lead me to the presumption he has a ISTJ transforming into a ESTJ theory going on.

Basically, that’s correct, right?

I’m not too impressed with such a system as evidenced my above posts. It still is massive presumption and projection.