Commitment to the truth is humanities only true protection..

Commitment to the truth is humanities only true protection from self destruction!)

If we as a species are not committed to the consistent search for honest communication we will always be in conflict. Only in this way we will arrive at communal agreement and harmonious existence.

Are you gay or something?

Actually I am gay but I am not sure what my sexuality has to do with my thread, would you like to elaborate on my post in an intelligent way.

It is quite easy to draw an inference between what one says and what one is.

Your right! So in the context of my initial proposition on the thread you have made a profile of me. Do you have anything further to add to your observation in the context of the initial proposition on the thread. If not I welcome opinion from others that relates to the proposition.

truth is at the end of a gun.

-Imp

Replacing humanity and getting rid of them is the only true path to humanities future, is by destroying the feral aspects of humanity completely and breeding them out entirely.

Humanity is a failed race, they’ve had millions of years to solve war and poverty and strife. Time for science to reprogram or eliminate all behavioral genetic defects, and heal the ones we can, and let the others pass away of old age or if necessary remove them by force.

Perpetually feral beings do not deserve to exist.

Oh sure breed out the parts that made us a sentient and dominant species… then lets face the universe as pacified hairless puny apes. Sounds positively challenging.

Humans are not responsible for their own deaths.

Humans are not responsible for their own deaths.

Commitments will not change a thing.

What if the truth condones destruction. Its not very good protection in my eyes

‘Commitent to the truth’ implies continually maintaining awareness of our inability to know truth. It truly takes commitment to not fixate and believe we know all the answers. We always fall short and make many errors - in fact even the process of walking could be seen as a process of continually falling and catching ourselves. This isn’t a nihilistic approach, where we think truth is impossible to grasp and therefore resort to random acts of aggression. There is no reason that I can see to think of truth as ‘objective’ (‘out there’). If there is truth it must not exclude anything. It follows that our subjective experience is the only means available for us in our search for truth. It also follows that ‘otherness’ (that which is not a part of our subjective experience) must also be included in any conception of truth. And ultimately we must recognize that any conception of truth is not the truth itself. I think that this process of coming to terms with ‘truth’ is trustworthy.

In regards to ‘self destruction’ - the question in the original post - I don’t know. Everything that arises from causes and conditions will eventually fall apart. In fact everything is continuously falling apart. :slight_smile:

And rebuilding we must not exclude the other side of the coin, creation and destruction are as important as each other

Falsness or lies can be as useful and helpful as truth or honesty. Both are just tools of survival afterall.

Good point

I agree in a way. Utility seems related to truth in my eyes, although I wouldn’t equate the two concepts. What we think of as ‘false’ necessarily contains truth if our conception of truth implies the inability to fundamentally exclude anything (as is the case in my own conception of truth).

Well you wouldn’t equate a hammer to a screwdriver but, both are tools nad so both are equally tools. But both are designed for different functions.

Nor would you be able to equate right and left they both are equally directions but, they head different directions and so can not be the same. Once difference is determined, part of equality can no longer be applied.

A lie can be safer and more reasonable than the truth.

People in a packed auditorium are more likely to safely exit the building if you ask them to leave due to sewer problems rather than tell them the truth that a person has a bomb. One has an calm EEEEEEWWWW reaction and the other has a F**k you I am getting out now reaction. If someone insists on telling the truth, that person has the potential to be more dangerous to the crowd than the person with the bomb.

Yes, that’s a good example of what I’m saying. The only reason I said I agree ‘in a way’ is because I still see a process of distinguishing between ‘true’ and ‘false’ as important. It seems to be how we are wired and it is not so easy to ignore or dispose of. In light of utility our version of truth is broadened. In light of truth we understand utility differently.

The implication of a dedication to the search for a truth internally or externally is a reminder of our infallibility as a life-form. Of course we cannot find the truth but the act is worth pursuing if only to keep us from doomsday/or violence toward another. The avoidance of self destruction being the focus for the thread. I agree we do not have answers but the action for looking for one is important as it reminds us of our impermanence. What’s the point…life is a little easier if we all get along. Too simplistic…possibly/totally. I agree it is a tool for survival. I also agree that the person who tells does not lie is potentially a bomb. But can our perceptions of how humans function be seen in the glass is half full light rather than it being half empty?

What about altruism? That would suffice.