Ichthus77
May 12, 2026, 1:59am
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Self-Lightening, ΑΘΕΛΗΜΑ, :
I must admit I didn’t really look at that doodle in the corner; I thought you’d scratched it out, but apparently that’s some kind of sine wave? And yeah, that’s precisely what I meant, identifying formal with final and material with efficient causes. I first seem to have made those identifications on March 1, 2018; when did you?
…you can go ahead and take full credit for that one.
Self-Lightening, ΑΘΕΛΗΜΑ, :
I thought “before” meant what Aristotle taught and “after” meant what you made of his teaching. And I don’t care what you actually meant.
Well I don’t care that it meant before you see formal=final, versus after you see it.
Well, I guess we’ll just have to take your word for it, then.
Self-Lightening, ΑΘΕΛΗΜΑ, :
That’s a mere or mad assertion.
I abducted (back to) the best explanation. I’m not comfortable with absurdity. Gosh, I wonder why that might be?
Descartes says, “Even though I burn this mother down , I burn, therefore I am.”
You:
Self-Lightening, ΑΘΕΛΗΜΑ, :
You were thinking that? Then it must be true
Self-Lightening, ΑΘΕΛΗΜΑ, :
And “matter” is energy… So formal/final is a conflation if you arbitrarily stop there and don’t do the same for material/efficient.
Oh, now you’re validating the sine wave? Make up your mind!
Self-Lightening, ΑΘΕΛΗΜΑ, :
The forms or ideas really only exist in the minds
The forms or ideas are the shape of the perfect mind(s). Spoiler alert? It’s just like the golden rule (correctly represented) describes (represents) the perfect. We can either align with it or diverge from it—reconciliation is part of the shape of the forms.
Self-Lightening, ΑΘΕΛΗΜΑ, :
compare Buddhism’s namarupa
Not familiar… feel free to discuss as briefly and relevantly as possible.
Self-Lightening, ΑΘΕΛΗΜΑ, :
The existence of a hunger does not guarantee the existence of the object of the hunger, though…
It is a wonder we aren’t all dead… and how we even got off the ground (seeing as we’re all hungry rockets consuming rocket fuel).
Sometimes being the origin of something isn’t the awesomest thing ever.