Suicide is the calculation of 100% doom, vs… something that MIGHT be different (potentially less than 100%). It’s a very rational choice for a lot of people. When you see everyone on earth is irreconcilably crazy and psychopathic… that’s a calculation of 100% doom and misery… everyone you meet depresses you as psychopaths. Everyone you see depresses you as psychopaths. Every book you read is psychopathic. It’s all psychopathic. What debt have these people incurred to sit here with narcissistic psychopaths?
Just keep focusing on it.
You’ll get there.
The species gives consent above the individual.
The species is made of individuals and almost all of them are psychopaths.
Could you be more explicit or less cryptic, this is a philosophy site after all. Bannon called you on the same thing.
As I said : We are a species first, individual second. The species overrides the individual in this. Our species procreates easily, a drive to survive you could say. Consent for life is given by the species.
It is only your opinion that most psychopathic.
Still, if true, it would be for a purpose of the species survival or a species lack of adaptation.
Consent for life is given by the species? Is this a joke? Over 1 million people commit suicide every year… consent for life is not given by this species. This species is so sick that these suicides are painful deaths after painful lives. Honestly, the way you talk about consent and evolution and species, I think you are one of the coldest, calculated people I’ve met.
Every species loses the weaker individuals, humans are not the only creatures to suicide. We are the only ones to our knowledge that counts the numbers.
If life were easy for any species there would be no evolution or change. Stagnation would occur and most would become extinct, including human. Each species tries to evolve and so gives a consent for more individuals to be birthed.
suck it up ec…everyone is faced with shit in their face
Well… by your theory of evolution (and I think you’re an evolutionary religionist), we should make suicide as easy as possible to get rid of the weak.
Oh, are you a man now?
join the human race…you are not special
If it’s possible to be special in the human race, I certainly am special, and I’ve suffered infinitely more than you have… so I don’t need your lip either. I had a panic attack for a decade, not panic attacks every once in a while, but a panic attack for a decade… that’s a billion times worse than a concentration camp, and that was the easiest part of my adult life… it got exponentially harder after that, so I really don’t need your shit, you don’t have the slightest clue what real suffering is.
Keep it civil please, gents.
join the human race…you are not special
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If it’s possible to be special in the human race, I certainly am special, and I’ve suffered infinitely more than you have… so I don’t need your lip either. I had a panic attack for a decade, not panic attacks every once in a while, but a panic attack for a decade… that’s a billion times worse than a concentration camp, and that was the easiest part of my adult life… it got exponentially harder after that, so I really don’t need your shit, you don’t have the slightest clue what real suffering is.
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I didn’t know that…we all suffer ec…we live and we know we die…that is awful
Suicide is as easy to do as breathing, living is a challenge. I have no religion or devout beliefs. Evolution is a part of life. Without species survival and evolution there would be no individuals.
Ignorance. There’s something called suicidal tension… you can keep people in horrible conditions by not giving them certain methods for suicide, that they would otherwise use. I coined the term suicidal tension when I was 16 years old, yeah my life has been that hard, I realized sitting in a room one day, that if I had a double barrelled 10 gauge sawed off shot gun where both barrells went off at the same time, that I’d be dead, but because I don’t, I’m not dead (messing up a gunshot suicide is horrible). And I decided it was a tension that kept me from killing myself (of course my plan was also to dig a hole in the ground so there was no mess to clean up, other than general body disposal that happens for everyone, and they could just quickly cover the hole back up… leaving no splatter or mess). Growing is a part of life, it’s questionable whether evolution is a part of life. This isn’t a game Kriswest, if this whole species had nothing but bleak outlooks we’d all commit suicide… there’s no evolution there, no fitness or lack thereof, there’s just a bunch of people coming together saying “This is unacceptable.” And you’re right, humans are not the only animals that commit suicide… dogs and cats are known to do it through starvation when their loved ones die.
Without individual there would be no species.
The collective and the individual live in a symbiotic relationship - one is not more important than the other.
One does not come first and the other second - they go hand in hand supporting each other.
It is like arguing which is more important - the ovum or the sperm?
“Ignorance. There’s something called suicidal tension… you can keep people in horrible conditions by not giving them certain methods for suicide, that they would otherwise use. I coined the term suicidal tension when I was 16 years old, yeah my life has been that hard, I realized sitting in a room one day, that if I had a double barrelled 10 gauge sawed off shot gun where both barrells went off at the same time, that I’d be dead, but because I don’t, I’m not dead (messing up a gunshot suicide is horrible). And I decided it was a tension that kept me from killing myself (of course my plan was also to dig a hole in the ground so there was no mess to clean up, other than general body disposal that happens for everyone, and they could just quickly cover the hole back up… leaving no splatter or mess). Growing is a part of life, it’s questionable whether evolution is a part of life. This isn’t a game Kriswest, if this whole species had nothing but bleak outlooks we’d all commit suicide… there’s no evolution there, no fitness or lack thereof, there’s just a bunch of people coming together saying “This is unacceptable.” And you’re right, humans are not the only animal”
Most humans are able to adapt to intolerable conditions, work to change the condition, or in some cases desire to keep those conditions. Animals do these as well.
It is the rare animal that suicides. Many humans might toy with the idea but, reject it or just use the thought as a mental temporary bandage.
If a person has , as you said, a preferred way to commit suicide, then the mind is not truly trying to die, it is salving pain. A true desire to die will take any option.
A good many suicides are accidental as well. The human will do an action thinking someone will save them and thus gaining desired attention.
We number in the trillions, the amount of suicides is puny compared to that.
And you are quite wrong about being a game. Humans have the ideas of games from life, competition, winning, losing is mimicking life. Evolving occurs in almost every generation of most creatures and plants. The change does not usually show itself. Those that cannot physically or mentally adapt or evolve become extinct.
Suicide is sign that the lifeform is becoming weak or mutated or broken. It cleans the genetic pool in a way.
You are very wrong about all becoming suicidal if al was horrible. Many would adapt, accept and thrive. Having a more complex mind allows for more adaptations.
The species overrules the individual. It has a life of its own. Not just dogs and cats suicide. Most mid to higher species do.
No it is not, consider the species as the body and the individual as the cells and chemicals that make the body. The body can lose some and survive and thrive or lose some and change or lose others and die, etc etc.
The individual is not as crucial as the species.