Continuation of Bob and Mr Authoritarians immigration discussion

Yea and I guess all 8 million of them are all here to tear it all down right… they came here to take good jobs from all the hardworking Americans that built this beautiful place… oh wait this place was built buy immigrants.. your right close the boarders… we can build and maintain it ourselves… because that’s what America is about.. we don’t outsource anything… oh wait the cooperations and the gov. Did… fuck it at least the trump T1 phone is built here in America…. Oh wait it’s not … nor is it available lol… your dreams are fun until you have to wake up…

“America ….

Fuck yea…. Gonna save the mother fucking day yea!”

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This is a Global issue not a purely American country issue.

Most countries should have closed borders and want racial preservations.

Sounds like they needed immigrant slave labor to build shit for them. And didn’t want to pay a living wage to the natives.

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Sounds very American

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It’s cool you guys keep dreaming of your utopia … I’m sure we’ll get there someday

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@Vince

The only person being utopian here is you liberal Trotskyist.

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The “Closed Border” debate has existed for 144 years, but it has only been a central, daily political crisis for about the last 30. - per the AI… 144 years… I bet it will happen reeeaaaallll soon lol… oh man is that liberal remark suppose to be like a racial slur but in politics… like “your a liberal because you don’t want to close the boarders..” nah… I told you … no side… open or closed I don’t give a shit either way…. I’m just telling you that what you think should or could happen and what is happening don’t align… but your dream of it …. I mean…. Good luck with that just try not to be a Nazi about it… you can’t without looking like one…. So…. Good luck with that too lol ….”America …. Fuck yea…” lol

I’ll explain why I reject the idea that any group of people has an innate or ethnic tendency towards violence. Firstly, human behaviour is never reducible to such simple binaries and it isn’t a black-and-white issue, as the saying goes. Like all social phenomena, violence emerges from complex entanglements of history, power, deprivation and identity. Ignoring these complexities, or worse, explaining them through racial essentialism, turns us away from understanding and towards myth. Perhaps that’s why so few people attempt to grapple with the real causes, because doing so requires uncomfortable honesty about us and our societies.

I learned this lesson early on. As a history student, I soon became sceptical of the national myths we were taught at school — stories that glorified ‘our’ benevolence and played down the blood that was spilled. Having lived in Malaya for a time, I witnessed first-hand the quiet racism that permeated everyday life. I remember being pulled away from local children when I tried to play with them, as though innocence itself needed to be protected from contamination. Later, back in Britain in the 1970s, racism was less subtle. One of my closest friends was a boy whose family had come from Jamaica as part of the Windrush generation. Despite the surrounding prejudice, our friendship thrived, though the strain was never absent.

I recall visiting his home, where one of his older brothers reacted angrily to seeing me and called me a ‘spook’. My friend, ever the peacemaker, defused the situation with a joke. That humour, which was both his shield and his grace, stayed with me. When he eventually joined the army, we remained in touch, and years later he visited me after I had settled in Germany. But I could see how the years had worn him down. The spark that had once defined him had dimmed, tempered by the steady weight of the racism he had faced while serving. He eventually left the army, saying it had taken too great a toll on his spirit. We wrote to each other for a while, until one day he stopped replying. I later learned that some of the Windrush generation, men and women who had served the country that once summoned them for labour and war, were being deported to Jamaica, along with their children. This revelation felt like a national betrayal.

Living in Germany forced me to confront another dimension of racism: the industrial, ideological cruelty of National Socialism. Yet I found something profoundly instructive there: a willingness to confront history openly. In evening classes, I studied how a defeated and humiliated nation had drifted into Nazism after the First World War and how subsequent generations in Germany had grappled with that legacy. Susan Neiman, an American Jewish philosopher, wrote movingly about her years in Berlin in the 1980s in Learning from the Germans, describing how Germany’s painful process of remembrance became a model for moral accountability. This notion of learning from the past rather than burying it transformed my perspective on British and American history.

Following these ideas led me towards investigative journalism and critical historiography. The more I read, the clearer it became that our established narratives were designed to mislead and protect illusions of moral superiority. Gradually, new voices began to challenge the old story, with historians writing honestly about the brutality of empire, slavery, the conquest of the Americas and the exploitation that underwrote Western ‘progress’. The more I learned about these issues, the more obvious it became that what colonial powers labelled ‘terrorism’ was often the desperate reaction of the oppressed, and an expression of violence in the face of resistance rather than an inherent racial or cultural tendency towards hatred. People do not become violent simply because they are born that way; they become violent because they are denied the space to live freely.

The decades since the Second World War reveal a similar pattern. The global ‘struggle against communism’ was, in retrospect, less a defence of freedom than a campaign to preserve Western dominance and capitalist hegemony. Movements seeking independence or social justice, often led by moderate reformers, were undermined, silenced or exterminated by foreign intelligence services and covert interventions. Even CIA veterans have admitted as much in hindsight. The record is clear: systemic violence, whether imperial or institutional, cannot be blamed on ethnicity. It is politics, economics and fear masquerading as nature.

Ultimately, that is why I resist these claims about ethnic proclivity to violence. Believing them is letting injustice hide behind biology; challenging them is insisting on seeing history, power and humanity in all their messy, painful interdependence. The struggle has been, is, and will always be about power asserting its will over ordinary people trying simply to live decent lives. When we choose to strike at them instead of standing with them, we become complicit in that domination.

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@Bob

“Hello my name is Bob, if you don’t like the great replacement you’re a racist nazi. Be a sacrificial meek lamb like myself so Global Zion can flourish. White people are non-persons.”

In the end you can always tell who their ideological shepherds exactly are.

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@Bob

“Hello, my name is Bob. Let me tell you why I think a majority of Germany should be Turkish, Arab, Nigerian, Somalian, Syrian, and Pakistani. If you disagree with my liberal virtue signaling you’re a racist. In order to have true diversity white people must be eradicated everywhere, it’s the only way!”

And on, and on, and on it goes…

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@MrAuthoritarian

It takes a special kind of idiocy that ignores all I have said and reduces it to comments I never made. But that is what is going on: a reductionism that is deadly and oppressive, cruel and unable to see it’s own cynicism.

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@Bob

I am very aware of my own pessimism and cynicism, but that is more of a reflection constantly interacting with people like yourself Bobby. It takes its mental toll overtime, I now have liberal PTSD.

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@Vince

“My name is Vince, everybody who doesn’t agree with my liberal Trotskyist talking points is a nazi. Take that nazis!”

Bullshit is so tiresome.

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“Long as the immigrants don’t mix their genetics with other races I don’t see an issue. They can even have sex with other races, long as its non-reproductive”

- per your buddy at the top of the post

So yea your Nazi shit Is pretty fucking tiring isn’t it

If you don’t want to be called a Nazi don’t say Nazi shit… but like I said… you don’t know how… say

something now … let’s here how your going to defend that

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@Vince

Puerto Rico would of been better off if they took the Cuban route and became their own independent nation state, but instead has become an American tourist tax haven under the federal government’s direct control.

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Wow your just as stupid as buddy

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@Vince

In Mexico are Mexicans allowed the right to remain a Mexican majority, yes or no?

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Go ahead and look up the history of Puerto Rico… I think you should educate yourself on why they’ve never been independent you stupid fuck…

you Dipshits think immigrants are the problem and you don’t get that lazy fucking Americans are the issue… and that tax haven issue? Also the American government that did that… the Puerto Rican people wanted and still want independence you big dumb racist fuck. But I should realize that dumb fucks like yourselves believe what your told like your ignorant counterpart blaming immigrants for the reason he can’t afford his rent… you’re your own problem…. You want a solution you need to look in the mirror instead of pointing the fingers and saying shit you don’t know anything about

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@futureone

True socialism or communism would get rid of unlimited foreign immigration because workers would be paid adequate wages for a living where there would be no need for endless surplus labor.

Unlimited foreign immigration has always been a tool by capitalists to depress wages of the working class and international capitalists in the modern sense hate the native white working class due to historical pressures of labor unions.

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@Vince

Eres una pérdida de tiempo hablar contigo.

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