Creating Yourself

I’m currently contriving a system within myself that I know will fail, but will be a good experience in human nature, and within my nature, considering the two may not be so closely related (I might be weird), and thus will be worth it. I’m no longer looking for a balance, but a median to stand on while inwardly I am at both extremes - to train myself to “honestly” be both people at the same time. Balances don’t work because when your possible paths lead two opposite ways, and the ends you’re wanting are on the end, then your balance is simply a shitty little grassy area between the two paths, and you don’t reach either end, and thus doubly disapointed. But with discipline and perseverance, and hell, the want to really be able to do both at once, I may find that I can do it, and enjoy life both now and later, have both pleasures of the body and the mind, the quickly fading joys of living life for the moment and the eternal satisfaction in having completed, or done something, with your life.

To describe the situation to a person that wouldn’t visit a philosophy forum, I would simply say that I wanna go to parties and get laid and also read books and study human nature. Sounds simple enough, doesn’t it? I should be able to do both, shouldn’t I? But here’s the problem: to come to the extremes of both these paths one must legitimately be there. When my mind is swallowed up in an idea of mine, it’s hard to go to a party and chat with a dumb blonde with a nice ass. But when my mind is completely gone from ideas and only holding thoughts, which either fade quickly or are pondered upon to become ideas, which then can be theories or … then I can go to a party and talk to a cutie and legitimately be interested in what she’s saying and asking simple questions to her and replying with simple answers because at that time, I really am interested. A week later, that same conversation would bore the hell out of me, and though I try my damndest to fake interest, the sixth sense of the other person can always pick up that I no longer care - (the truth, of course, is that I just have other things on my mind.) So to get out of the intricacies of the situation

I’m wondering if I can be the master of both paths. Still hold up my standing as Mick and also dig deep down into life and report my findings as the Vagabond, or Mellow, or whatever name I’m using this week. The trick, I’m thinking, should be similiar to training yourself to pass a lie detector test while lying. If you believe what you tell yourself, you’re fine. Each person holds base values that they rely on for every situation - if I can formulate two separate groundings for my life, which, actually, are the same, since both their aims is the creation of this system, which will ultimately lead to me being a happier person and enjoying life on all fronts. The two sub-bases, on different planes and at first glance completely different, weigh on the deeper, more ultimate base, that of the creation, and perfection, of the system. I’ve got ideas on how to apply it to everyday life, and it’ll be interesting, but I’ll need to train myself on how to jump back and forth between perceptions without even a blink. Of course, this will only come to fruition through trial and error, failed attempts and experiences in the field. But right now, its just an idea on how to better scramble my life.

Mabey i dont fuly understand, but like you siad your trying to be an extreme party animal and an extreme philosopher. WHy do you find this so hard to do? Life is philosophy. I am constantly think and disecting everything and questioning things, even at a party. I know it sounds wierd but you probally do the same. This does not mean that i dont like to have fun.

It sounds like you will be unable to delve deeply into some human experiences. If you are a party/sex animal, you will probably not learn much about love and genuine relationships with other people. I think you are making things seem more complicated than they are. If you want to read books and fuck, then go right ahead. Either way, the path you take will exclude some other path.

It’s not about being a party animal, or sex monger. It’s about legitimately enjoying the things you do without feeling they’re taking up (precious) time from other, more important things. Someone has a thread on here called “Interruptions of thought” where they find that brilliance many times comes spontaneously, but the receiver must be in a mode to recieve it. What would have happened to Newton if the apple fell on his head while he was drunk? (I know many people find revelations when they’re stoned or on acid, and I’m not here to argue the validity of these things, but)

It’s more than leisure reading and thinking, relaxed pondering. And it’s more Zak, than disecting the animal instincts one has at a party - believe me, I did that for years. Ideas and theories are fragile little things that can be lost in an instant, with, if you’re lucky, only a faint rembrance of their scent remaining.

Nietzsche said something along the lines of: “Every intelligent man comes to a point where he groups people in two categories: those who help him mature intellectually and those who get in the way.”

I guess I’m just having a hard time letting go of the party scene.

you dont have to just rember that there is a time for everything. I think kube is right when with what he said your making it seem more complicated then it is.

If simplicity is key, then I’m locked out.

But is simplicity not also … mundanity?

I agree with some things being said here. Having one night sex for one is not condusive to intimacy and self-respect. Woven throughout our tradition of thought from Aristotle to Hannah Arendt is that thinking and goodness go hand in hand. Foolishness may help someone become wise but they must eventually “act wisely” in order to be considered wise and virtuous. Conversely, thinking also helps one become wise. For some people, I feel the way they live there life is a type of thinking, especially since much of life is and depends upon experimentation, whether that experimentation is serious or playfull. Therefore you must think to become truly good and you must be good to become truly thoughtfull or wise.

And vagabond, you are definitely overcomplicating things, I second that.

“When my mind is swallowed up in an idea of mine, it’s hard to go to a party and chat with a dumb blonde with a nice ass. But when my mind is completely gone from ideas and only holding thoughts, which either fade quickly or are pondered upon to become ideas, which then can be theories or … then I can go to a party and talk to a cutie and legitimately be interested in what she’s saying and asking simple questions to her and replying with simple answers because at that time, I really am interested. A week later, that same conversation would bore the hell out of me, and though I try my damndest to fake interest, the sixth sense of the other person can always pick up that I no longer care”

Ain’t that a bitch? I would like nothing more than to sit around a keg and discuss philosophy with people who were genuinely interested. Instead, most people at the “party” behave as if intelligence were a hideous deformity. This is unfortunate because while in the past I have accepted girls of easy virtue, to actually find one that is “intelligent” and who invests more in her mind than in the shape of her rear end, is a rare and exhausting occasion. What I would like to do is justify both the dumb blonde with the ass and the matters of philosophy which she is oblivious to, into one elaborate equation where each has its rightful place. This way I could enjoy the fruits of both worlds and not feel like I have compromised my own principles when I find myself allured to the debutante daisy making her debut in pants three sizes too small.

Vagabond - Alcohol is the key my friend :smiley:

I mean, think about it, the more alcohol you drink the more people you can relate to. That’s because alcohol is a great intelligence leveler. Mostly because the effects have diminishing returns: at some point, the IQ of a couple of drunks won’t matter, they’ll all be reduced to their primitive states, ready for mating.

I don’t drink alcohol, though. I can’t stand not knowing what I’m doing :confused:

I’ve got 2 DUI’s, 2 MIP’s, been sent to the hospital, spent time in jail, community service, a year of AA meetings, counseling, fines, probation, no license for 2 1/2 years now … all this before I was 20.

I don’t drink much anymore either. :wink:

Yeah, I had some bad experiences with alcohol too.

Hmmm, so we can’t use alcohol to relate to party folks. Maybe you should entertain yourself by insulting them without them realizing it, works for me :evilfun: