I got this in my inbox today. Does the crackdown on drugs justify the murders?
Such acts are seen as barbaric and ancient, but yet they still exist. Why does there have to be a petition before the UN steps in.
It may, if you use India’s police assassination squads as a precedent, or what Delta Force did to Pablo in Delta Force.
You’ve seen my interaction with Smears, he takes zero accountability for his actions, but he is likewise a small fish. Imagine if he became really successful, degrading wide swaths of the country, set up his own gang and cartel links, perhaps even started a cartel.
You can try to arrest them… largely gas failed in the western hemisphere, hence why we now have to build a wall. Eventually, they can get bug enough to rival police forces and even the military, because life failures, the kind of people who make up 2/3rds of this forum, can’t survive for whatever bizarre reason without more drugs. They gotta have their drugs.
End result is a scenario where either the state & democracy survives, or the drug gangs take over. This happened in Bolivia, Indonesia, heck… you can say Virginia Company with it’s Tobacco Exports and constant recourse to rebellion over it’s rights.
Eventually, you just gotta go out and kill them. I’m not a fan of how the Philippines are doing it, but it is absolutely inevitable, the inevitability lies inherently in how guts like Wyld, UglyPeopleFucking, Smears etc excuse the world… they fail to realize the entirety of civilization is at risk. You can have a large middle class trader nation, with a educated population and medical services and high employment, ran by drug lords. The bulk of society eventually snaps, as in India, Columbia, and now the Phillipines.
Bolivia is really the best case scenario you can hope for, in merging a drug state and modern economy together, and it is a joke.
Eventually, you gotta kill them, and society backs the police and military when this is done carefully and selectively. We will eventually have to do it ourselves if I never get my camera working.
Liberalism is no longer valid in narcostates. Liberals are the enemy of the people. They support the policies that repress and kill the people. I have very little sympathy for liberal reflective thinking. What matters is how much control the phillipines has over the control and operations over these strikes… It doesn’t have much from what I’ve seen, and so oppose it. Whole point is yo enter into a slum, find Smears or Joker, and to shoot him until he is dead. Not to kill some shithead like Kropotkin or Iabigious yelling from a window because they support that drug dealer. Exact, planned surgical strikes by dedicated police or military, who have civilian oversight and accountability.
…but how do you know if people are being murdered in the name of the war on drugs, or in the name of something else? citing that someone was involved in the drugs trade when they weren’t, just so you could off them for some gain or other. The coup could definitely be open to abuse.
That’s why India stopped their program.
Nobody thought the special police unit WASN’T killing gangsters, but allegations rose up that gangs were paying bribes and tipping cops off to other gangs, so they would be killed “first”, allowing them to secure market share first, enlist better gang soldiers, move to more secure locations.
In the US case, we have better fetter levels of accountability, the police are increasingly being monitored with body cams, GPS trackers can be involved, cameras mounted on all railed assault rifles if need be.
We have 50 states, plus several territories, so have a large pool of experts in a position to do tactical over watch of any excesses undertaken.
My guess us the FBI or Army/Marines would do this in a national guard position. You would still have national level accountability.
Just, we aren’t there yet. At our current trajectory, eventually… but I’m hardly advocating we do this now. In the phillipines, they got to this point… fine. But it should be done right, rationally, planned, with the best guys on it, and held accountable for fuckups. They aren’t doing that at all. Hence why I oppose it.
Liberalism shouldn’t be a suicide pact, enforced from foreign countries, projected onto others with little understanding of what is going on. Every once in a while, it us necessary for a country to clear house if Nietzscheans. US did it in the 20s and 30s. We developed the FBI in response to terrorism and organized crime. It isn’t a guarantee it won’t come back, but a tool to stifle and fight back against it when it inevitably does.
It is a aspect of paramilitary ethics every society eventually has to deal with. Doesn’t make Noam Chomsky or Zizrk happy, but I deal with reality, not dildos hanging out of asses, their asses. When it comes time to do this in America, it will be self evident. The entire country will give up on the old methods and say fuck it, fine, just get rid of these guys. You’ll get fringe groups of entitled liberals crying, but more people by this point would of lost someone to crime, or been negatively effected, and just want it to end already.
Why the elected the crazy ass head of state they did… they just wanted someone, anyone who could take the country back, stepping over the legal morass. I doubt he will do much economically or internationally for the state, but on the community level, killing these guys will do much to improve public confidence and order. It is always a good thing to kill a Nietzschean. Very life affirming.
the latest news speaks for itself.
To even consider leaving the UN for a third world country like the Phillipines is suicide.
Drug war used as a method to politically and socially purge an entire nation of a population. Why do I get a feeling other nations will eventually adopt this playbook?
Because it tends to happen as the result, I said it happened above, and even included you in the hypothetical story above…
Your a quick one these days.
Here ya go, nice video from 2003 of India’s Encounter Specialists.
m.youtube.com/watch?v=fwKcpIacptQ
At that time, they still had to offer a pretense of going in to arrest them, and had to claim self defence. A while after thus, the charade was dropped and the head of that police unit would plan missions on the when and how of these strikes, and the police would go out Judge Dredd, killing them. Like I said, system eventually broke down because of allegations the police were killing selectively some Mafia leaders selectively at the bequest of others, and not all equally.
It had a major impact on the crime in cities like Mumbai. India has perhaps the slowest legal system on the planet, never enough judges and staff. It was absolute anarchy for a while, Joker’s paradise. Population snapped, started supporting these cops doing the killings as heros, calling out their kill statistics like little kids here in the states call out statistics on baseball cards for their favorite baseball player.
The Philippines is doing this very sloppy. Some are police killings using Encounter Specialists, but others appear to be assassins or whoever… while the US used this nebulous tactic against Pablo, we had total control over the purse, and no real other motives other than a desire to isolate and destroy him… these people are killing drug dealers, taking drugs, money, weapons, for reasons hard to see. A lot of non-crime related murders are likely occurring too. Only reason it is accepted by the public is quite simply, the drug problem got that much out of hand, and they are terribly resentful. Who wouldn’t want to kill the neighborhood Nietzschean who has been terrorizing and abusing them? Just, when it isn’t the police and military doing this, comes at a eventual high societal cost as people develop a Border Law mentality… sort that arose on the borderlands between Scotland and England during and between the wars prior to unification. People will assume for the next 40-60 years they don’t have to go through police and the courts, and deal with shit like in the old days, our era.
The arguments of human right groups lack validity completely, they don’t grasp the stress and inhumanity these populations had to endure to get to this point. Immoralist philosophy comes at a very high cost that eventually has to be repaid rather highly through it’s advocates. Humans deeply stressed out will look at them as no longer human, no longer worth trying to reform, no longer worthy of usual customs.
Hence why effective law enforcement is so very important long before society ever gets to this point. Enforcement Specialist, once the phenomena arises and is embraced by society, must be backed and encouraged to centralized under state control, but I would never celebrate the fact that a society has to resort to such measures. It signals a complete moral collapse of society preceeding it. Also suggests if things aren’t fixed, that’s how law enforcement will remain. I am not a advocate of such a long term scenario… goal is simply to eradicate the Nietzschean vermin, kill them off fastly- and that can happen, and fast reforms in government to fix the situation so whatever allowed it to occur won’t let it happen again.
You put the gun to the Nietzschean’s head, pull the trigger, they drop… society a little healthier. It’s the golden rule of encounter specialists. James Bond , Ethan Hunt… they are Hollywood versions of this concept. They are quite effective if done in a properly organized task force.
m.youtube.com/watch?v=821ft1hVTtw
m.youtube.com/watch?v=h6Z4csuHwXk
m.youtube.com/watch?v=hyjfNQ0lJn4
A thing of beauty to behold, the human instinct to survive, not to be enslaved, corrupted, destroyed by the impulsive parasitic few inflicting constant mayhem on them. A properly executed MOUT strike can have as much detail and beauty as a Rembrant to any society undersiege by criminal immoralists who think they can run the show, turn the common man into a herd. Men inevitably rise up and fight back. It is why they Encounter Specialists are titled heros in the societies they operate in. Everyone come to hate and spit upon the Nietzscheans in time, and will do anything to get rid of them and their sick mindset, a mindset detrimental to survival and the continuation of the community. Who wants their sons and daughters falling into a Mafiaos drug dealing, street war lifestyle, when you look at your neighbors realizing your all fucked if these gangsters don’t die, no future possible with them around, every day, every breathe one of fear and despair?
So days after this became breaking news, this happens… a coincidence? Too soon for them to be touting for tourists?
I will read your last post later TF… when I have time to watch the videos.
As usual you don’t even come close to understanding me or my beliefs where your understanding of the world is run through an outdated format of Christian cynical paleoconservatism. Yes, I think that I’ve nailed you down ideologically very well. Feel free to correct me of course.
cnnphilippines.com/news/2016/08/ … drugs.html
He is putting bounties out on cops who resale drugs they capture.
I wish he would restrict this to police and military assassinating these little fucks.
Well the initial cull seems to have weeded out the corrupt… those corrupt cops. Anyone exercising their corruption now are fucked… and very very stupid.
What? I severely doubt they’ve culled anyone in the police force. They don’t exactly have a office of a high inquisitor going about with the authority to weed they guys out at any cost in the Philippines, the current decentralized method is far more likely to be exploited by bad cops getting rid of potential threats from their own ranks.
That’s the problem of a Narco State, even though the drug dealers are a minority, they infiltrate everything, not individually, but by making the degrading resources available for police to resale, for both drug dealers and cops and judges to become open to bribery. No real way yet to pinpoint who is doing it for bribes or laundered money, you can’t piss test for corruption yet without excessive investigation.
It’s what eventually collapses these purges, leads to stagnation of the offensive, and the drug dealers and crime syndicates come back… ends up with heavily militarized cops operating in a very shaky balance against the gangs and dealers. It’s hard for a state to break the Marco influence and demilitarize for this very reason. No matter how the Philippines play this, public sentiment will turn if they start sensing “good cops” and “good people” are being excessively abused and targeted by this crackdown, that the very people that society is warring against is exploiting them through loopholes.
I don’t see any evidence Duterte is effectively managing this. It will be what eventually collapses his system. You can’t just appeal to group feeling and the mass rejection of a drug culture, you gotta show how your inserting new modes of justice into the mix, new sub institutions that will uphold the good, and suppress those within the system, exploiting it.
He has to be a stare builder, something must replace the Marco State, it isn’t merely a situation of Philippines minus Drugs, it is a new Philippines, one that don’t relapse because it has better systems installed. We should already be seeing these offices evolving. Failure to do so will lead the left into anti-human rants, eliciting international support for fake “human rights” of these drug dealers and corrupt cops that destroyed society, that they are operating without a rule of law, and need to return to it, aka, a Philippines mulinus Duterte, and return to Narco State politics. That would be a human catastrophe.
If he can show that this is a pandemic that has brought his society down to it’s knees, that they came to a breaking point, that it is a period of extraordinary measuees, and that he us evolving new judicial and executive checks and balances against the remergence of dictatorship as well as Narco culture competing against the ruke of law, he can secure the phillipines future, and avoid bring jailed himself, or being sent someday to the european war court to stand trial in Spain to a absurd judge that thinks he has jurisdiction over him.
Fighting a Narco State isnt much different from the Union fighting the slave states in the Civil War, or the French rising up against the aristocracy in the French Revolution. They are all diseases that must be fought against for the sake of human liberty and freedom. A state broken and subdued through control and proliferation of drugs is a damned state, one that effectively has lost control over justice, obe in which the livelyhood of the peopke is severeky curtailed for the benefit of a few thugs who can’t see beyond their immediate desires, where the youth have fww opprotunitues for betterment and advancement. It us something inherently right and good to be fought against, it is never pretty, it is always ugly, always bloody. Your fightig against your own countrymen. Liberals living far, in safety and sanctuary, without a care don’t get this, they may even dabble in drugs themselves and see it as freedom of choice… They exist in states that haven’t fallen YET into full Narco-States, it us a war for their descendents to crack down on and fight. It isn’t right for liberals in the US, UK, France or the Netherlands to point fingers and judge, for we too will have to fight this same war ourselves someday. The proof is all around us. The proof is guys like Mr. Reasonable, who can applaud their own abuses and exploitation of society, how sanart they are. Others follow… day of reckoning when the larger society sees everything collapsing, starts fighting back is inevitable. It is a matter of time.
Duterte must start introducing new kinds of legal institutions and kinds of cops, new laws, that will form a new, drug free Philippines. You can’t create a independent society from mob disgust of the Narcos alone. It leads to a temporary suppression at best before public opinion turns. He has a chance to get his state out of the Banana Republic category. I just, doubt he will.
Will reply to the points of interest to this later…
Why say that?
Why not 
You made some good points that I’d like to respond to, in regard to the after-effects on their country and future policies and safeguards, but that might be a few days comin.
I haven’t kept up with this particular bit of news, but I saw this yesterday and see that the Phillipines’ promise to leave the UN and other establishments has been kept.
Many paths lead to destruction.
How would the UN help with killings?
They send soldiers? To kill the killers?
What kind of money does that bring in?
Or does it cost money to do it with no rewards?
The whole thing is purposely misrepresented. The justice minister and the imprisoned drug lords, been sleeping literally and figuritavely in the same bed. Some wise guys, intelligently creating a secret insurance policy qua blackmail made a video of these sexual involvements, and they have beome the centerfold of current congressional pre-occupation.
It turns out, the justice minister had provided immunity and even protection to the drug business in exchange of hundreds of millions of dollars.
The US and the UN are not particularly phased by the immorality of narcotising the young, who by now wouldn’t take a job, even if it was offered to rpthem on a silver platter, but are worried of loosing control of Central Asia. Besides, there is an opposite trend with legalization, liberalization. In addition, the global agenda would be severely stymied and the clogs of this system may be fracture. This may be far worse then with the case with North Korea, which at least serves the purpose of the familiar battle cry against the remains of the Evil Empire.
No , here the moral stances are trumped (oops) by the dynamics of post moral legitimization, and morality has in essence became the guiding principle by which masses can understand what actually is going on.