Crop Circles.

[Gobbo]

youtube.com/watch?v=fJJ-pPA2gL0

1. Crop circles have been documented for some 30 odd years – who is this tireless team(s) and what is their purpose?

2. With the high level of mathematical precision and ingenuity, where are these images going? These are, after all, new original images (some at least) and seem to have some sort of purpose other than to be a deliberate mystery despite it’s elusive nature at this point.

[Impenitent]

it is a sign… not aliens, not a government conspiracy, not a bunch of farmers having a prank, not a bunch of bored college students having fraternity initiations, not traffic, not a decades long plan by mel gibson just so he could make a moderately successful B movie…

no, it is a protest by the hyperintelligent odd food crops… if dolphins can be intelligent, why not wheat?

they have gone on strike and bent themselves over and are screaming (in the fashion of ms o’donnel) “EAT ME!!”… don’t you see it? they want to become capt’n crunch… and the ones who wear the pink armbands want to be used in drug experiments…

-Imp

[Oni_Omega]

they are made buy humans, it has been self confessed and shown how they did it. gobbo you’ll jump on about any conspiracy theory.

edit- note 24 secs into the vid.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WjjJqlQ3nA8&mode=related&search=

[Membrain]

2002 was a good year:

circlemakers.org/totc2002.html

[Gaiaguerrilla]

I plead guilty to the same belief / gullibility.

Eltjo H. Hasselhoff (“believer” if you will) has no doubt that they can all be recreated. His argument is that the effects of radiation within has never been explained. Surely it’s technologically possible, but not by the common farmer. Do communities benefit by the tourism if they secretly irradiate the crop? Even if it’s a hoax, the story would be fairly interesting as to how they were irradiated.

And then is there any solid evidence of the radiation? I caught myself when I thought I was slipping in too far. Haven’t looked at it seriously since.

[Membrain]

@Gaiaguerrilla

I plead guilty to the same belief / gullibility.

Eltjo H. Hasselhoff (“believer” if you will) has no doubt that they can all be recreated. His argument is that the effects of radiation within has never been explained. Surely it’s technologically possible, but not by the common farmer. Do communities benefit by the tourism if they secretly irradiate the crop? Even if it’s a hoax, the story would be fairly interesting as to how they were irradiated.

And then is there any solid evidence of the radiation? I caught myself when I thought I was slipping in too far. Haven’t looked at it seriously since.

Eltjo H. Hasselhoff debunked:

encyclopedia.com/doc/1G1-135817735.html

[Mr_Predictable]

Fact: they are made by humans.

What does that say about humans?

[Gobbo]

@Me

2. With the high level of mathematical precision and ingenuity, where are these images going? These are, after all, new original images (some at least) and seem to have some sort of purpose other than to be a deliberate mystery despite it’s elusive nature at this point.

I couldn’t give a flying fuck if Santa took a fart and created this images – they’re mathematic masterpieces and they are ORIGINAL.

Yes, Oni, I’ll jump on anything that interesting.

If anyone here wants to read the entirety of what I’ve written, and then try again – by all means please… give me a reason to stay at this stagnant mental pool of hypocracy.

[matthatter]

2. With the high level of mathematical precision and ingenuity, where are these images going? These are, after all, new original images (some at least) and seem to have some sort of purpose other than to be a deliberate mystery despite it’s elusive nature at this point.

Well, let’s take a look at a few of them and try to interpret what they might mean.

Think 7 chakras (and the number 13… 7 (day) heavens in the Mayan calendar, with 6 nights).

The very top chakra is not enclosed, and it is the crown (in which one is completely open to receiving information from the outside world (with minimal interference from faulty belief systems?)
-Below this crown chakra are two orbs, side by side–Male and Female. In order to utilize and open this Crown chakra one must use both their male and female energies, withiout discrimination.

The large circle portrays the head, which holds the third eye chakra and the crown at the top.

Interestingly, the insideof the head seems to represent 7 stages as well, if you count the colored and uncolored rings, starting from the outside and moving towards the 7th, 3rd eye, in the center, which seems to indicate that all of the stages of development have to be surpassed in one’s interpretation of the world as outside world.

There is a tail at the bottom, which is even more suggesting that we’re looking at a spine.

It looks like it can be a scorpion.

Perhaps humanity is acting out of the negative characteristics of the scorpio, and, by carefully exercising one’s chakras, and constructively using one’s Kundalini energy, we can use this energy source to transcend the scorpio and become the Phoenix:

According to Herodotus, the Phoenix was a beautiful bird seen in Heliopolis, Egypt, where it was a sacred emblem of the Sun. Just as the sun dies in its own fires every night and is reborn each morning, so the Phoenix was believed to undergo continual regeneration, consumed in flames on a pyre, only to rise again from the ashes. Like the Phoenix, Scorpios are survivors. Emotionally they may perish in the ashes of their own destructive nature. But they can also transcend and transform; they can bring forth from the ashes new and shining life. During this phase their intense perceptions will bend toward compassion understanding, rather than judgment. Their eroticism will reach beyond passion, toward love.

Scorpios have the capacity for high spiritual development, but, astrologers say, their path toward it is the most difficult in the zodiac. They must be alchemists, transmuting dark nature and selfish impulse into purified desire, striving to discipline themselves and to curb and channel their great destructive power toward constructive ends.

Scorpio is the eighth sign of the Zodiac and associated with intensity, passion, and power. Individuals born under this sign are thought to have a complex, analytical, patient, keenly perceptive, inquisitive, focused, determined, hypnotic, and self-contained character, but one which is also prone to extremity, jealousy, envy, secretiveness, possessiveness, cruelty and cunning. In terms of anatomy, Scorpio is said to rule the pelvis, reproductive system and urinary system. In terms of geography Scorpio is linked with Picardie, Navarre, El Salvador and Buryatia.

The smaller circles trailing off from the 4th orb (2nd chakra) suggest that we are not constructively using the associated energies, preventing us from moving forward.

Chakra Two - Associations
Color - orange
Physical Location - lower abdomen to the navel
Purposes - emotional connection
Spiritual Lesson - creativity, manifestation. honoring relationships, learning to “let go”
Physical Dysfunctions- low back pain, sciatica, ob/gyn problems, pelvic pain, libido, urinary problems
Mental and Emotional Issues - blame, guilt, money, sex, power, control, creativity, morality
Information Stored Inside Sacral Chakra - duality, magnetism, controlling patterns, emotional feelings (joy, anger, fear)
Area of Body Governed - sexual organs, stomach, upper intestines, liver, gallbladder, kidney, pancreas, adrenal glands, spleen, middle spine

Notice that the scorpion is associated with this chakra.

From astrology-online.com… here are common problems associated with the scoprio, and recommended solutions:

Problem: Suffering from an inferior complex where you feel self disgust and are disdainful of help from others.
Solution: You should try to admit that others, as well as yourself, have weakness and then practice forgiving those weaknesses until you notice them becoming less and less. Unbend and accept that you can be helped in your problems.

Problem: After you get everyone to agree with you and you get your own way, you are still not satisfied with the results.
Solution: Looking deeply within will show you that: having reached the point where you have nothing more to want for in a given situation you then realize just what you were really after. Look within first.

Problem: Disruptive marital relations or a breakup with a loved one.
Solution: You should try not to be scornful of what you perceive as a shortcoming in your partners personality and soften up your rigid, unbending attitude.

Problem: The peers in your group begin to avoid you, or drift away when you walk up.
Solution: If you feel persecuted and put upon you will express it in conversation, this causes people to be ‘turned off’ of you so try to change your attitude or, guard what you say.

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Well okay I’ll just post this one for now, and do some others later.

As Gobbo points out, we shouldn’t just ignore these things (simply because people know how to make them).

[matthatter]

Also relating to the crown chakra and the necessary fusion of the constructive male and female energies:

The vesica piscis, is a symbol made from two circles of the same radius, intersecting in such a way that the center of each circle lies on the circumference of the other. The name literally means the bladder of the fish in Latin. It is a special case of the lens shape. The shape is also called mandorla (“almond”) and known in the early Mesopotamian, African, and Asian civilizations.

Jesus shown within a vesica piscis shape in medieval illuminated manuscript

In Christian art, some aureolas are in the shape of a vertically oriented vesica piscis, and the seals of ecclesiastical organizations can be enclosed within a vertically oriented vesica piscis (instead of the more usual circular enclosure).

An aureola or aureole (diminutive of Latin aura, “air”) is the radiance of luminous cloud which, in paintings of sacred personages, surrounds the whole figure. In the earliest periods of Christian art this splendour was confined to the figures of the persons of the Christian Godhead, but it was afterwards extended to the Virgin Mary and to several of the saints.

The aureola, when enveloping the whole body, generally appears oval or elliptical in form, but occasionally circular or quatrefoil. When it appears merely as a luminous disk round the head, it is called specifically a halo or nimbus, while the combination of nimbus and aureole is called a glory. The strict distinction between nimbus and aureole is not commonly maintained, and the latter term is most frequently used to denote the radiance round the heads of saints, angels or persons of the Christian Godhead.

Perhaps this will help some lost Christians actually understand what the fish refers to…

–other than Pisces, which was the astrological age from around the time of Christ until now–we are entering the aquarian age

at this time). Water Bearer-CHANGE…

Prior to Christian belief, the ichthys was used worldwide as a symbol of the pagan “Great Mother Goddess.” It was meant to represent the outline of her vulva, the portal through which all human life enters the world[1]. It is linked to the Age of Pisces and also has associations with the Hindu deity Vishnu, but more so with Dagon the fish-god of the Philistines. (The name Dagon is derived from “dag” which means fish.) There have also been discoveries of the fish-god in sculptures found in Nineveh Assyria. Dagon is also found in the Scriptures (Judges 16:23-24; 1 Samuel 5:2-5). In both instances, it was the transcendent, invisible God that defeated the idols. This being a common symbol in the ancient world, it could be used by secret societies without fear of persecution.

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Christian

Ichthus (ΙΧΘΥΣ, Greek for fish) is an acronym, which is a word formed from the initial letters of the several words in the name. It compiles to “Jesus Christ God’s Son is Saviour” or “Jesus Christ God’s Son Saviour”, in ancient Greek “Ἰησοῦς Χριστός, Θεοῦ Υἱός, Σωτήρ”
I is the first letter of the word Iesous (Ιησους), Greek for Jesus.
CH are the first letters (in Greek one letter) of the word Christos (Χριστóς), Greek for Christ.
TH are the first letters (in Greek one letter) of the word THeou (Θεοῦ), genetive case of Θεóς, Greek for God.
Y is the first letter for Yios (Υἱός), Greek for Son.
S is the first letter for Soter (Σωτήρ), Greek for Savior.

In Christianity, the doctrine of the Trinity states that God is one being who exists, simultaneously and eternally, as a mutual indwelling of three persons: the Father, the Son (incarnate as Jesus of Nazareth), and the Holy Spirit.

Holy Spirit as female aspect, The Father as the male (Yin and Yang), Jesus as a man that embodies the positive essence of both and uses them to live righteously.

Yang – Yin

Active – Passive
Hot – Cold
Life – Death
Summer --Winter
Male – Female
Day – Night
Odd – Even
Sun – Moon
Fire – Water

The Male Active Creating Brahma on the left, the Night/Change/Destroyer Shiva on the right, and Vishnu (Hindu equivalent of (the Mythologized) Jesus) the Preserver in the center. Vishnu preserves the good qualities of Brahma’s creations, while allowing Shiva to destroy/change what needs to be.

(Notice the serpent around Vishnu, and how they all exist at his Crown. Kundalini energy being used as knowledge/wisdom. Around his finger is a halo, he uses the wisdom that comes with his open clear-thinking crown to create his reality.)

[Mr_Predictable]

Trite imagery.

Firefox.

Need I say anything?

[matthatter]

Doesn’t really refute anything I said though, Mr. Predictable. Surely a different group may have different motivations for their crop circles.

It’s much different to see a symbol, wonder what it is, and learn something through research (and perhaps pass on something you learned to another) than to see an obvious pop reference, have a simple response “cool”/“cute”/ etc, and then forget about it.

[Mr_Predictable]

@matthatter

Doesn’t really refute anything I said though, Mr. Predictable. Surely a different group may have different motivations for their crop circles.

It’s much different to see a symbol, wonder what it is, and learn something through research (and perhaps pass on something you learned to another) than to see an obvious pop reference, have a simple response “cool”/“cute”/ etc, and then forget about it.

Maybe I missed it, did you say that humans made your designs.

It’s also the case that Indian stuff is very pop culture and has been for almost a century in Europe.

[matthatter]

I’m taking Gobbo’s side and not even commenting regarding who made them. I just think that some of these symbols are meaningful and by being made into crop circles they can help with man’s evolution in preparing for the strengthening energies on earth by becoming conscious of certain concepts and ways of looking at the world that assist in one’s ability to form interpretations of the world that are conducive to personap happiness and ethical behavior towards others.

[Mr_Predictable]

@matthatter

I’m taking Gobbo’s side and not even commenting regarding who made them. I just think that some of these symbols are meaningful and by being made into crop circles they can help with man’s evolution in preparing for the strengthening energies on earth by becoming conscious of certain concepts and ways of looking at the world that assist in one’s ability to form interpretations of the world that are conducive to personap happiness and ethical behavior towards others.

Well, if people made them then they comment on what people care to communicate now. I have trouble seeing how they would have anything to do with evolution.

[matthatter]

Well, if people made them then they comment on what people care to communicate now.

Will you elaborate on this please?

[Mr_Predictable]

@matthatter

Well, if people made them then they comment on what people care to communicate now.

Will you elaborate on this please?

Sure, groups of people are taking the time to agree on a design, then organize a covert plan to make the design, make the design in a very controlled professional manner, and then leave taking no credit for it. I think that means a lot, but what.

What does it say about those people and what are they trying to tell us.

People: don’t answer something like, because they wanna.

[Gobbo]

Perhaps humanity is acting out of the negative characteristics of the scorpio, and, by carefully exercising one’s chakras, and constructively using one’s Kundalini energy, we can use this energy source to transcend the scorpio and become the Phoenix:

Madhatter,

Great post!

That is a great pic.

I’m travelling across Canada right now with my family so I’m not able to be on the net all that much, but I’ll respond later. The more I think about this topic the more it appeals to me right now – that Phoenix comment is the 2nd time I’ve heard that in that context lately. Could mean something for me…

[matthatter]

Well Gob we’re both Libras (saw so on your myspace, from your link on ILoveOpinions), so we’re ready for the air sign of aquarius. Both writers too. A rare breed indeed Forefront of change, eh?

Determined Aquarius, a fixed sign, can be rather stubborn, offhand and resistant to imposed changes

Take that, and couple it with the over emotionality of the lingering pisces energies, and you’ve got the scorpio.

But, as the water bearer pours out the collective consciousness of mankind, perhaps we’ll allow our selfish, overly emotional (the downside to a focus on individualism) tendencies to drain from our cups.

If we can manage that, the sky’s the limit.