Dark Matter

John, I don’t think many people who are aware of modern physics care much about your idea. The experiments already done in the Quantum realm make your idea extremely unlikely, so everyone who’s ignoring your idea can safely, guiltlessly continue to ignore it. There are countless ‘alternative phsyics’ theories around; you have to give a pretty good reason to investigate yours rather than the other ones. But, as it stands, you really do just look like one random dude in a sea of random dudes with strange ideas that we don’t have the time to investigate.

As they say, YOLO. If anybody has the time to look into your theory…boy, do I envy them for the loads of free time they apparently have. To spend time looking into theories that are just about ruled out by physics experiments…what a luxury.

We’re talking about Dark Matter. It is another form of matter
which cannot be seen but interacts gravitationally.

My Galaxy Model is all about progressively-smaller
fractals where the same matter structure re-occurs at smaller
and smaller sizes. The next size down would be that
which electrons and subatomic particles are made from.
It would be too small for our light photons to interact
with, but it would interact gravitationally. Perhaps
matter in this form is what is acting as Dark Matter.

Hey, it seems a good fit! That’s why I
keep bleating about it. Hopefully I won’t
attract the wolf, first. :slight_smile:

john

It’s not a good fit for what we know about physics already. In fact it fits in very poorly with quantum experiments that prove that eg two photons are perfectly identical, on a level even deeper than just “they seem to have the same properties” – they’re actually literally perfectly the same. Reality itself doesn’t distinguish between two photons.

So, if photons themselves are supposed to be ‘galaxies’…are they all perfectly identical galaxies, exactly the same as each other? I don’t think that’s what you had in mind. I’d bet you were thinking of each photon housing it’s own unique galaxy or mini-verse or whatever. Nope, this is out-ruled by modern physics.

The perfect identicalness of quantum particles suggests, quite to the contrary of the galaxy model, that it in fact isn’t turtles all the way down; that in fact there almost certainly is a fundamental level, and the level QM is studying is very near it.

I’m sure you’ve invested a lot of time in your ‘fractal galaxy model’ idea, and thus will find it very hard to let go of it, so I’m not asking you to let go of it. I’m merely letting everyone else know (although they probably already do) that it’s safe to not even think about your idea for very long. They’re not missing anything.

Well, the idea is that atoms are equivalent to
galaxies. Not that photons are equivalent to galaxies.
So, you clearly have taken your own advice
and not thought about the idea at all. It makes an idea
extremely easy to let go of if you intentionally refuse to grasp it in the first
place. This is called being indoctrinated into a belief, I believe. :slight_smile:

Present beliefs, though, have lots of problem areas, including what
electrons and subatomic particles are made from, as well
as what Dark Matter might be made from. A fractal structure explains
all those loose ends. Don’t you like loose ends being tied?

john

It’s indeed pretty useful to note that what works on a small scale also works on a large scale. And that there are some limits to that.

An atom is not literally a galaxy but it follows from the same necessities and takes on a similar structural behavior. Reality is fractalized because it’s logically impossible for it not to be. How would it work if it wasn’t?

Somebody should write that down.
It is so true!
:slight_smile:
john

I haven’t followed this thread, but… what does that mean? If there’s no distinguishing, then why say “two” photons? If there are two, then distinguishing has happened.

Quantum experiments show no such thing. QM is entirely about probability. And there probably aren’t two perfectly identical photons in the entire universe.

Here’s an explanation of how it has been proven.
The first two thirds consists of a dialogue between a wise philosopher, such as yourself, who is incredulous (even reasonably so, I might add) about the idea that two particles can be proven to be fundamentally identical. The explanation comes towards the end, and it may only make sense in the context of the articles preceding it.

Essentially, the idea is this:

Say you have two lasers, and they’re both separated by say a foot, and they’re aimed at small set of mirrors, and the mirrors are such that this is true:
when you shoot a photon from laser 1, 50% of the time it ends up at photon detector A and 50% of the time it ends up at detector B
and when you shoot a photon from laser 2, the same is true.

Now, let’s say you shoot a photon from laser1 and laser2 at the same time. If ‘Photon1 arriving at detector A, and photon2 arriving at detector B’ is a DIFFERENT configuration from ‘Photon2 arriving at detector A, and photon1 arriving at detector B’, then you would expect one set of experimental results, but if they were fundamentally the same thing – if they were both just actually better described as ‘one photon arriving at detector A and one photon arriving at detector B,’ you’d expect a different set of experimental results. It turns out that the latter of the two experimental results is the one we get in this universe.

BTW, this is mainstream science that I am presenting. Completely.
Here’s a wikipedia article on the subject.

Absolute Bullshit.

I can’t believe you actually fall for that kind of double talking bullshit. It is stupid beyond belief. It is embarrassing.

The problem is that you can’t personally defend what the nut is actually saying, or apparently even comprehend it. Because of that, you might as well be preaching the holy scripture and condemning the heretics.

“Less Wrong” than an absolute moron on crack.

Alright James, you report more mild posts by Helandhighwater all the time. Calm your little head fella. If this is how you react to me posting mainstream science (with nothing less than extremely strong empirical experimental support), then I don’t see how you can complain about how Helandhighwater reacts to you…

That little faggot isn’t a member here. And if you want to see just how ridiculous that guy is, you bring him here and I’ll show you. He is selling magic and mysticism to 10-12 yearolds as the new grand religion, “Quantum Sciencism” in the name of Science. And of course you know that he is right else your cell phone wouldn’t work. Hell Wendy has more credibility.

You show me one thing that actually supports that crap.
“Maintstream” my ass. It’s pure snake oil.

James, if you don’t chill out you’re going to get a short ban. All this ‘Faggot’ ‘Bullshit’ ‘You’re embarrassing’ garbage…again, it’s worse than the stuff that you report.

If you genuinely would like to read something that supports this ‘crap’, here’s one thing.
But, considering how mainstream the idea actually is, it’s very googlable. Unlike some ideas on ILP in which people say ‘google it’, and you google it and don’t find a relevant hit even in the first 5 pages of the search, this is indeed…very googlable.

Oh you defend people who aren’t even members, but not those who are.

Gyahd… :icon-rolleyes:

Did you bother to read that crap that you liked to?

The very first line;
“Consider two identical particles confined to one-dimensional box.”

What the hell is a “one dimensional box”??

A single dimensional universe can’t exist in the first place. But a “one dimensional BOX”???

It is pure double talk snake oil.
There isn’t a shred of actual Science in it.

While you’re mod here, you should change the name of this forum to “The Holy Temple of Scientism”.

Alright buddy, just stick with the stuff that you made up and don’t worry about the stuff my “scientism priests” in their holy lab coats come up with. I was posting this for Anon, not you, and I’m not sure but I’d imagine Anon isn’t so quick to reject something that is an accepted fact in QM. You can reject what you like, you seem to have too much personally invested to be bothered about the truth. Anon has a bit more freedom to look at the real science objectively, I’d hope.

It isn’t “an accepted fact in QM”.
For heaven’s sakes. You apparently know nothing at all about QM except what you read in the tabloids. You certainly show know comprehension of the philosophy concerning it, it’s actual ontology - a provably absurd ontology at that.

FJ, did you even notice the mistake you made with the photon comparison? If so, what is this business of trying to discredit ideas by creating ridiculous straw men and then ignoring it when you stand corrected? Please grow some courage, I can’t stand such hypocritical mods.

For fucks sake FJ, answer the question. If you’re gonna propose a theory that has bizarre ideas in it, defend them. Don’t expect others to blindly accept them just because it’s googlable. By that standard, we should accept Scientology as legitimate science, because it is googlable. Fuck that. If Flannel Jesus proposes something, I need Flannel Jesus to explain to me why he thinks it is valid.