I’ve recently started reading David Icke’s Everything You Need to Know But Have Never Been Told, as I’ve never read anything by him before and I thought I’d give it a go. It’s available as a free PDF file, here:
I’m still only a short way in and I have to say that it’s awful. His style is like he’s lecturing to a naughty five-year-old, and the content is pretty much appropriate for that age group, too. I seriously doubt that I’ll finish it.
So my question is, why on earth is he so famous and influential?
Well, as you are reading the book, note something that he believes we need to know but have never been told.
What evidence does he provide for thinking this?
Is it something that exist in the either/or world in which there is in fact evidence to support believing one thing rather than another? Or is it something that exist in the is/ought world in which different people believe different, often conflicting things. The part that those like me attribute to dasein.
I had to Google him myself, having never heard the name.
Wiki describes him as a “conspiracy theorist”.
Here’s the first:
You know me. I am far less interested in what someone believes and far more in intrigued with how existentially they came to believe it. In other words, given different experiences, not something else instead. And then the extent to which they can actually demonstrate to others that all rational human beings are obligated to believe the same. There must be zillions of beliefs about all manner of things relating to the universe and our place in it. But what is actually able to be proven?
His assumptions sound ludicrous to me but then what that do I know about infinite dimensions?
Anyone here familiar with his thinking? What actual “peer reviewed” evidence is there for believing this?
That actually might be why. Some people are very vulnerable to this type of discourse. This is how the Christian Bible speaks to people too. How many verses in the Bible are there that say something like “Fools will deny me” or something like that?
Well, since he has provided no evidence, at least so far, that might be difficult.
He has, however, provided an auto-biographical introduction at the beginning, if you want to have a look, which describes how he came to hold these beliefs. It’s both overly tedious and overtly tendentious, and it’s definitely all downhill from there.
He’s the one, incidentally, who notoriously came out with the claim that the royal family are actually shapeshifting alien reptiles, though I think he might have rowed back a bit on that, now, saying it was intended as a metaphor.
Since you are reading the book, if you do come upon any compelling evidence please let us know about it. Especially in regard to things he thinks we should know about pertaining to moral, political and spiritual values. My own particular interest – obsession? – in regard to either philosophy or human psychology. The mind when confronted with conflicting goods.
Can you cite an example or two of this?
On the other hand, if he hasn’t rowed back on it, I would certainly be interested in noting any actual proof that this is the case. Whereas, again, for me, the more interesting questions revolve around such things as the debate over whether there should even be a royal family at all. All the pros and cons there: soapboxie.com/government/Pros-a … f-Monarchy
This will give you a flavour. He is the persecuted outsider, shunned and hated by all:
+++I am closing in on 30 years since I was first dubbed the maddest man in
Britain and most other places come to that. Newspaper headlines
delighted in my alleged madness and I was a comedian’s dream.
Mention of my name was enough to get a laugh with no joke necessary. I
was the joke.
But, as it turns out, they were the joke all along.
They didn’t know (and neither did I) that what they perceived as
madness was a mind emerging from the collective madness which is
called normality … the madness that masquerades as sanity … the coma-
sleep that believes it is wide awake. There are none so enslaved as those
who wrongly believe they are free, and none so crazy as those who
wrongly believe they are sane. Today as truly intelligent people look in
my direction from literally all over the world it can safely be said that
rumours of my madness were greatly exaggerated.+++
And then later after a career on TV, which accounts for why he was already well known in the UK, he is given his mission, by a famous medium:
+++He is a healer who is here to heal the Earth and he will be world famous.
He is still a child spiritually, but he will be given the spiritual riches.
Sometimes he will say things and wonder where they came from. They will be
our words.
Knowledge will be put into his mind, and at other times he will be led to
knowledge.
He was chosen as a youngster for his courage. He has been tested and has
passed all the tests.
He was led into football to learn discipline, but when that was learned it was
time to move on. He also had to learn how to cope with disappointment,
experience all the emotions, and how to get up and get on with it. The
spiritual way is tough and no one makes it easy.
He will always have what he needs, but no
more.
He will face enormous opposition, but we will always be there to protect him.+++
If any evidence exists for the royal family being shapeshifting alien reptiles, then I too would be very interested to know what it is, though I strongly suspect that none is likely to be forthcoming. I think it’s safe to say that David Icke doesn’t like them very much, though.
I think that a constitutional monarchy where the reserve powers of the Crown are used to defend democracy and the rule of law, is a very good thing. It brings continuity and stability. It’s true that it occasionally throws up a completely unsuitable character to occupy the throne, as with Edward VIII in 1936, but he was forced out in less than a year.
He starts the main part of the book with a paragraph that sounds like a cross between Madame Blavatsky and Lewis Carroll:
+++Once upon a no-time, in a ‘land’ called Forever, there was only
Awareness in awareness of itself – all-possibility and all-potential
waiting to manifest. There was no form, only the potential
imagination of form of every possible kind. This was the infinite state of
pure awareness from which all that we think we ‘see’ has ultimately
come.+++
After quite a lot of stuff about how there is no such thing as solidity, because of the nature of atoms, which in my opinion completely misses the point, because that’s what solidity actually is, he’s back to auto-biography again, this time with him getting out of his face on a hallucinogenic plant in Brazil. A discarnate voice kept repeating to him:
+++All you really need to know is Infinite Love is the only truth – everything
else is illusion.+++
Pretty standard stuff really, for the New Age, if a little vapid. His main problem here, I think, is to take what discarnated voices say to him as some sort of profound truth. He goes on:
+++In that moment I saw a shimmering, radiant blackness of
stillness and silence that somehow shone with incredible brilliance. What
was that again– a shimmering, radiant blackness that shone with the
brilliance of light? Ugh? Words do not exist to describe what appears to
be a bewildering contradiction to the human conscious mind (Fig 13).+++
Well, I’m not even going to try and get my head around that, but he seems to think that this experience is proof that near death experiences are objectively real, which he then goes on about at great length. A little actual evidence here would be a great help.
Sounds like an absolutely unbearable read. A mentally ill guy who’s convinced he’s something between a genius and a Messiah. And with no editor apparently either.
Unbearable for sure, like wading knee-deep through mud. And not surprisingly, it appears that all his books are published by his own publishing company.
Yeah, his Wikipedia page says he had to go self published after he started supporting some “Jews are trying to take over the world” conspiracy book that was shown to be a forgery. That’s apparently too far for these publishers lol
I think he tried to pass that off by saying that he didn’t really mean Jews, but rather, aliens. Or something. It gets a little confusing. It’s astonishing how popular he is though, drawing massive crowds of thousands on his tours.
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Icke is one of many presenters on Ancient Aliens, which I do watch, in which they look into socio-archeological anomalies that cannot be explained by Science… he was also a footballer.
Well… it’s entertaining, and I find some of the topics spoken about very thought-provoking… like ancient Indian texts talking of weapons right out of Marvel, but it’s vice versa… Marvel basing weapons on ancient Indian texts.
Pyramids all over the world and under water
Huge ancient architectural religious structures
Unexplainable ‘questionable’ anthropological human bones
WMDs mentioned in ancient texts all around the world
Icke is a kook.
In the UK, where we know him, he is a joke.
There is nothing worthy in any thing he says.
The fact that he claims to be Jesus should have alerted you to that.
He is a man of limited intelligence and severly limited education.
He left school at 15 to join a football club where he made his money.
I’ve read about all of those things. Indian weapons, which sound suspiciously like nuclear weapons, though on a scale even bigger than the ones we have today. Underwater structures, and not just pyramids either, but all sorts of other types of buildings. Even the supposed bones of giants, which then mysteriously disappear.
Legends of lost civilisations are fascinating, with or without weapons of mass destruction, but I would always hesitate to ascribe them to aliens, rather than human ingenuity.