Drusuz, I did give explaination, do I need to put in words for a child? Will that help you understand? Or do you think you can control yourself and reread without that huge chip on your shoulder? Which ever is easier on your abilities.
No in the rest of the world, it’s a very importaint work tool, and used in very serious uses, why it can’t be classifyed as a way to corrupt people to make them decadent.
I’m beginning to think that no one here has much of a clue what “decadent” means.
Your explenation was wrong, just because something is in excess, doesn’t nessesarily mean society will decay because of it, you just come with generalisation not any specific encounters, but jumps purely conclusions and imagined situations.
Imagined situations isn’t factual, i need factual situations.
Name a crime You and I will be able to link it to the emotion somehow. You know this. Can you control love?
Obviously you think you can, as you claim to not need it.
Yet pretend to need your family
Rofl have you read fully what I have said or just skipped to what suits you? Nevermind it is obviously the latter.
Or you have just avoided from what you yourself have said what does not suit you.
If one is an addict do they need and crave that next bump/ hit/drink/ pill?
Depends.
Don’t forget the mushrooms that grow on that shit.
HB - I agree with your premise, the separation of two types. The first type creates law from innate ethics, from his health, which overflows into code - or his wisdom that overflows into custom.
The second type merely obeys the codes that have been “written” (lived) for him by others, and calls it law. He has no overflowing health, so has no idea what it means to be “wise”, to live by natural ethics. He thinks his laws came about through reason. But reason relies on assertions, and he does not know that life is an assertion. He thinks that it is passively suffered, “obeyed” and perhaps enjoyed.
There is no point then in making this point directly. It’s either known or will remain unknown.
Transcendence is a good way to breach open the subject into a discussion on strategy. How to “create” (enable the becoming of) vitality in our clotted-up society? Which rot can be made useful to fertilize and to produce psychedelic visions?
It depends wether they wish to quit their addiction or not.
In cases of love once you have received love and known it, you need it, want it, crave it. There are industries devoted to selling objects that are for enhancing love, displaying it, convincing another that you love them, gifts and more gifts from candies to diamonds. Addiction to love causes someone to go into debt to buy a bauble, a ring. The whole extravagance is decadent, it is excess. We don’t need it, we desire and want it all once we taste it.
I need some quotes about decadence in english so that this topic doesn’t become a word-pedia. On another forum the topic-title was “what is decadence and how to fight against it?”
Decadence means stupefying, declining on the long ladder of culture until the men of culture (usually only Indo-Europeans) have fully perished.
There is a stage in decadence which is called madness, in which the ill Nietzsche was, where the consciousness declines until the animalistic level where he can’t speak anymore clearly, desires to walk naked, and makes sounds like an animal. It comes from the overuse of passions.
“Die Vermehrung der Geisteskranken folgt der Entwickelung der geistigen Anlagen, der Leidenschaften, der Industrie und des Elends.” - Vollgraff
“Jeder Leidenschaft, der der Mensch sich, auch bey gesundem Verstände, hingiebt, ist schon eine Art Seelenstörung. Sie tritt aber entschieden auf, wenn die Leidenschaften den Menschen so in ihren Fesseln halten, dass sie den Verstand und die Vernunft ganz übertäubt und verwirrt haben, so dass er, für alles andere blind und taub, nur einzig auf sie hört und nicht sein Geist dem Leibe gebietet, sondern seine Leidenschaft im Geiste rasst und in seinen Adern zerrüttend und zerstörend brennt”. Das Narrenhaus von W. Kaulbach (Morgenblatt 1835. No. 223
“Wir rechnen dahin namentlich die Tobsüchtigen, Tollen, Rasenden, Wüthenden etc. mit und ohne lucida intervalla, welche dann auch gewöhnlich keine Kleidung mehr dulden, abgeschlossen werden müssen, ganz unter die Thiere herabsinken und während des Paroxismusses der Sprache ganz verlustig zu gehen scheinen, wenigstens nur brüllen und heulen.” - Vollgraff
“Fear and intelligence. — If that which is now expressly maintained is true, viz. that the cause of the black pigment of the skin must not be sought in light, might this phenomenon perhaps be the ultimate effect of frequent fits of passion accumulated for century after century (and an afflux of blood under the skin)? While in other and more intelligent races the equally frequent spasms of fear and blanching may have resulted in the white color of the skin? — For the degree of timidity is the standard by which the intelligence may be measured; and the fact that men give themselves up to blind anger is an indication that their animal nature is still near the surface, and is longing for an opportunity to make its presence felt once more. — Thus a brownish-grey would probably be the primitive colour of man, — something of the ape and the bear, as is proper.” [Friedrich Nietzsche, Dawn, 241]
I remember voluntarily entering such a momentary passion as described in the German paragraphs. It erupted after six months spent around six-hour meditations.
So I think that such madness does not come from overuse of the passions, but from overly attempting to direct them into mind.
I find this theory on skin color rather … 19th century. Is there any form of evidence for this? It is clear that darker races live where there is most sunlight, and that sunlight darkens skin.
Nietzsche is not the last word on decadence.
To my way of thinking his philosophy is very decedent.
You are trying to justify a poor analogy my assuming that the analogy is a good one.
Love and addiction are not the same.
The depends relies on the meaning of “need”, which you have already decided on.
I’m beginning to think you have had a bad experience with “love”, and have decided you’d be better of without it.
Yet you are focusing on a very narrow idea of love, and have contradicted yourself with regard to your relations.
You’ll never get the eros to turn to family love without time.
Well, maybe it is not a new use of passions, but an old use of new (stronger became passions) where a new morality would be necessary to control them fully. Arts are firing up passions … like in Human all too Human 244, Pt. 5.
That is the time where morals decline, become cut off from life and arts overwhelm life in general.
As for skin and hair color, it is visible than sun and climate don’t have a significant influence on populations which have lived isolated for a long time in areas which are not in relation with their skin color and race. The climate can have an influence only on language.
If the latest Michael Bay Movie is art, well, OK, art is overwhelming Life. though cellphones are doing a much better job. But otherwise I don’t see a lot of art happening. Not that affects most people.
As far as passions, passions are just fine, it is the split between passions and thought that is a problem. If you Control your passions, your are your own jailer.