Parodites — 12/30/2019
Yes, I am not entirely unfamiliar, but I need to set down with it
Fixed Cross — 12/30/2019
has 3 parts of 10 minutes youtube.com/watch?v=Jzdb_ZMQcHg
YouTube
Wie Ei Steelt Steelt Ook Kameel
Tekenen Sinds Mensenheugenis
youtube.com/watch?v=154oR-do5vg
YouTube
Wie Ei Steelt Steelt Ook Kameel
Tekenen Sinds Mensenheugenis
yeah I dont reckon you’re unfamiliar with much of spirit at all.
Parodites — 12/30/2019
I have seen this video
Fixed Cross — 12/30/2019
but this field is something I can offer some proper sources
Its the one occult field where I feel some authority.
Parodites — 12/30/2019
Yes, I found this video in my bookmarks, I knew I’d seen it
I will need to fit Druid culture in to this map after I have gone through enough materials to place it; obviously it evolves in a different trajectory from the earliest Paganism
The Druids are reported on out of select Greek historians; according to Plutarch, I recall they had a saying that the poet indeed wielded the most power in at least their society. The poet didn’t fight in battles: the poet recorded them, and decided which battle and what hero was worth being immortalized for the histories.
Fixed Cross — 12/30/2019
Well no
I mean they’re not druids, really - they come out of the polar regions
the druids are related but - they’re less angular
You have to trace these things back through different routs I think
through their own Sagas.
I think their sagas give a somewhat historical account of the creation of the universe and of the earth and of gods
I would consider Odin to be someone who might have existed in the flesh,
which is a very different situation than in which we find ourselves before the Olympians
So I think this fits very well in your attribution of it in the historic system
namely, before the logoic
it is proto-logoic
Below Hod.
Parodites — 12/30/2019
Of course it goes further back than the Celts and their Druid priest-class, through the disparate German tribes. (The Dorians existed in a very similar disparate group of tribes, before the emergence of the Hellenic soul)
Fixed Cross — 12/30/2019
“8. Hod Glory, Reverberation The Eighth Path is called the Absolute or Perfect Intelligence because it is the mean of the Primordial, which has no root by which it can cleave or rest, save in the hidden places of Gedulah, from which emanates its proper essence.”
ᚨ Hod is the Sephira of the magician.
The magician stands in Hod, always.
so the paths from Hod are most drastic.
Anyway why I said “No” is to indicate the importance of the line between the historic system and the pagan sphere.
most if not all occultists try to integrate the two, but you didn’t.
I think that is something you need to keep intact, that division you recognized, which gives me complete confidence in your lack of wish to construe.
the only connection, to be clear, that I recognize between the system and the origin of the runes, is of our own making.
And also, this is convenient since we will be the first to make a numeric system of the runes that is worthy. The runes like to be given power. And they are creative, they help out when you try to set them somewhere where theyre useful.
Parodites — 12/30/2019
The divide between the histories involves a transition from the cult of the Mother that likely goes back to even pre-hominids, versus a reorganization of man’s social structure due to evolutionary changes at the level of organo-psychology, through which a new history grounded in the Masculine typus began, so indeed it is important to keep them separated.
Fixed Cross — 12/30/2019
this fits my experience of animals clearly responding to runes
besides making them
Parodites — 12/30/2019
That divine between the histories that separates true paganism ties back into my psychology on pre-Oedpial stuff; see, all of my work across all fields is actually interconnected; metaphysics, philosophy, psychology, comparative religion, theology, anthropology, linguistics, etc.
that divide between *
Fixed Cross — 12/30/2019
yes, I would say that to keep the division serves to widen the scope.
of our endeavour within our knowledge.
it would be useful to have an abyss included in the cosmos we create as there is no cosmos without an abyss.
Parodites — 12/30/2019
Abyss and World soul: The BYTHS and ABYTHS
Enlarge the image there is a lot of detail, it is from a Rosicrucian manuscript
Dan~ — 12/30/2019
that seems like such a fine art
Parodites — 12/30/2019
Beautiful image and a ton of encoded meaning in it too
Fixed Cross — 12/30/2019
thats very beautiful
Parodites — 12/30/2019
You can see on the left, bright side, the active triad of alchemical potential; sulfur, salt, and mercury, etc. The world-soul at the bottom, etc. The Rosicrucians produced a lot of this caliber of art too
Fixed Cross — 12/30/2019
I like these little symbols that go into the world soul from the alchemical triad
so what is this F, is it simply for fire? Between the natural and the alchemical orb
Parodites — 12/29/2019
I meant to send that image
Dan~ — 12/29/2019
is it good that there is so much concentration to the left?
Parodites — 12/29/2019
I will be purchasing one as a luxury item; I can do on a computer anything it can, but I want a physical one.
Oh Dan I got banned from ILP like 12 years ago ahaha. But I am friends with Sphinx.
Fixed Cross — 12/29/2019
wow
Parodites — 12/29/2019
dope reference
Dan~ — 12/29/2019
why did they ban you?
Parodites — 12/29/2019
Because I’m too cool for school.
Fixed Cross — 12/29/2019
Dan - its all entered around Pluto
who has just gone into Scorpio.
Venus on 29 Virgo is deep
was it Anaximander?
So Venus on 29 Virgo and Pluto on 0 Scorpio
anyway I am ware this has no meaning to you in these terms
but I always have to let a chart sink in element by element
Dan~ — 12/29/2019
id like to make tea and watch tv upstairs as i meditate.
Fixed Cross — 12/29/2019
Sorry this is quite insane to jump into a full chart analysis here
Parodites and I were just discussing an approach to the Zodiac
I will now of course read the chart
but it takes some time
Dan~ — 12/29/2019
see you later on everyone?
Parodites — 12/29/2019
It’s cool, I am preparing a Reuben sandwich atm so I’m half in the chat and half out
Dan~ — 12/29/2019
good sandwich
cya later
Parodites — 12/29/2019
with extra russian dressing, I just dip that ish in it
Fixed Cross — 12/29/2019
im all out of everything Ill need to consume something now
later Dan
Interesting degrees though. Venus all the way at the outer edge of the first half
thats a very serious valuing which requires a true resolution
as Venus prepares to enter its own second sign with which the Other begins. This rhymes to NN on 1 Gemini.
0 scorpion: Aries of Scorpio
29 Virgo: Pisces of Virgo
back to Zoroastrian magic: media2.giphy.com/media/3o6Mb5De … =giphy.gif
On rank, we have Aries of Libra vs Libra of Aries - what is the difference?
Probably Aries of Libra is stronger.
This represents Jesus of Barbarous
He who was born correctly.
Fixed Cross — 12/29/2019
So the first meme would represent the pre-alchemical stage
Alchemizing life is required. Mankind
thats at least what the ‘They’ are doing.
they’re still pressing us to red sulphur now.
for there to be inserted something Mercurial, first there has to be an absence of anything but a very base level.
Parodites — 12/29/2019
AGLA is a notarikon (Hebrew-to-Greek gematria) for the word Malkuth. It is a Greek word (aglaia) that means splendor, lordship. As in lordship over Malkuth the Kingdom or mortal realm in Kabbalah, which to draw on my application of the Gnostic metaphysics of transcendental apotheosis and excessus, is both the sephira separated from God and the only member of the sephiroth that generates its own Zohar. However it gets deeper: Plotinus equates Aglaia with the pure radiance (what Gnostics call ennoea, and Kabbalah calls zohar) of the Primary-Intellect of the Neoplatonist tradition, and by extension the EIDEIA to which man must rise in the discovery of both his own nature and the structure of the cosmos: aglaia is the pure radiances or light, the pure ennoea, and thus TRUTH itself. It is not the truth of any one statement or idea or anything: it is the truth of mind reflecting on mind, of that pleroma or plenitude which the servants of JEU call the Treasury of Lights. Aglaia is even the dying word of Herakles as, in his final breath, reason returns to him and he sees what he has done, and by realizing it, relieves himself the burden of conscience through acceptance of an ultimate truth. What is this ultimate truth that eased the heart of the mad Demigod? It is the truth that the multiplicity cannot contain the splendor or aglaia of the One, the burning infentesimal of the original intelligence. That is the tragedy of which Holderlin, in his essay on Empedocles, based the pathos of the philosopher-- as the One reaching out toward the pothos of matter and multiplicity, to re-emerge in aglaia and repeat the process; one–multiplicity–one–multiplicity. AGLA is also used by the Pythagoreans to mark the Tetractys- the mathematical representation of this ultimate cosmic pattern.
Fixed Cross — 12/29/2019
we’re inside this pancake of raw being being pressed flatter, rawer
Parodites — 12/29/2019
I just realized a few kabbalistic connections I wanted to note here, in that paragraph I pasted.
Fixed Cross — 12/29/2019
Alright we come to a point now
Where we have to address the fact of excess
and Malkuth
to which excess belongs, which alone as you indicated has the power to truly contain the zohar
besides its origin -
we “have” rather we can work through that
and I have always experienced the factor of the outer world as a requirement for the greatest alchemy
where the individual has been attained up to the extent that an individual is truly self-contained in gnosis
and needs a crown on that work
a crown which is a kingdom
Parodites — 12/29/2019
Yes, I wanted to finish the paragraph with this conclusion: AGLAIA stands for the excessus of Malkuth and, through it, the Lordship over the Kingdom more like the individual apotheosis of mystical Christianity than the Lurianic rectification of the world in which this internal zohar is returned to God and recycled through the interconnected Sephiroth. AGLA means: the power to contain the Zohar.
As you said “the power to truly contain the zohar”
Fixed Cross — 12/29/2019
what
ok
Parodites — 12/29/2019
Yes I had pasted a paragraph on the connections between the Greek word AGLA and the Hebrew Malkut.
Fixed Cross — 12/29/2019
— Cardinals
Parodites — 12/29/2019
Perhaps we should hold off on cardinals for now, I will need to sleep-think on it
Fixed Cross — 12/29/2019
Yes we understand very little of what we want to be working with yet.
Ive learned a lot.
sleep-think well.
Parodites — 12/29/2019
Sleep always makes things cohere. Instead of telling people to go in peace I will start saying go in AGLAIA.
Fixed Cross — 12/29/2019
hahaha
Parodites — 12/30/2019
Behemoth fighting Leviathan faux woodcut
Communion with the Centuries
Cathar-Cross of ENZOL, [ΣΟΛΔΑΙΟΝ] the Christ-Devil of Gnosis
Parodites — 12/30/2019
Concerning dodecatemoria: so the 12 members of the Zodiac are expanded into 144, beginning with the first sub-member of the first Zodiacal sign: “Aries of Aries.” A better way to state what that is, would be to draw on some sources in Zoroastrian and Gnostic astrology which conceive of the “Intelligences of the Planets” (from Zoros) which I want to combine with the cosmogony of the Aeons assigned to and ruling over the Planets from Gnosticism. Going that route: each planet then has both an Intelligence (protophany) that it utilizes to exert itself upon reality and an Aeon (protenneoa) under which it operates, as a sort of computer program it must follow, which is how Enochian angels are described. The six aeons are multiplied by the 12 zodiacal signs to yield the 72-member hierarchy of angels, the 72 letters of the name of God. So you have 6 (planets) plus 12 (Intelligences and Aeons) plus 72 (angels) plus 2 (protophanos and protennoea themselves, Pandemos and Ouranos) which leaves 52 beings unaccounted for of the 144. That is where Luna comes in: Luna exalts the Intelligences: “The dodecatemoria could also crudely represent the motion of the moon across the ecliptic during the course of one month.” So each planet would have a daemon that represents the exaltation of its Intelligence based on Lunar (dodecatemoriac) over Solar and Zodiacal influences; So the planetary Intelligence of Venus is EROSIA, [eros] the Aeon of Venus is KALOSIA, [beauty] and the daemon of Venus is PSYCHOSIA, [psyche] to improvise some names for these beings and complete the eros-psyche, male-female concept from Greek myth. (This also very neatly accounts for the triplex of the decans, in which each planet is assigned three elemental decans out of the four elements of classical alchemists.)
Parodites — 12/30/2019
This adds in another six: 6 planets plus 12 intelligences and Aeons plus 72 angels plus the 2 figures of the God and the Demiurge plus 6 daemons. SO: each planet has within it an Intelligence, an Aeon, and a Daemon; and further, each Intelligence, Aeon, and Daemon has within it a triplex derived from the decans. So 6 times 3 times 3; 54. So to reduce all this: 72 (ANGELS) plus 54 (ELEMENTAL-TRIPLEXES) plus 12 (ZODIAC) plus 6 (PLANETS.) Equaling; 144.
Fixed Cross — 12/30/2019
Ah but look, I live in perpetual meditation, communion with the planetary intelligences, this has been my waking life for the past 20 years. The ancients descriptions of planetary intelligences is trivial to me - not just because they did not know of Uranus and Neptune, Pluto and Eris - without these, one can know nothing. Uranus is actually visible with the naked eye in the desert sometimes by the way, but too faint to have been noticed. Anyway - Crowley vehemently objected to adding Uranus and Neptune to the logics as he found it inelegant - but it is perfectly impossible to understand any person through astrology without these two. I know I’m the first to have unlocked many astrological truths. I literally am inside various planetary intelligences all the waking time. Right now Im toning down Uranus and Pluto. Lets say we only include Uranus and Neptune and consider Pluto and Eris, as I revealed yesterday, as moons to he solar system. Eventually Crowley realized he could simply not choose ignorance over reality and began to study the transSaturnians and came up with a decent book. tomegatherion.co.uk/complete … tings.pdfn Im closer to these outer planets than I am to almost any human, so I can detail much about their intelligence. As far as the 144 numbers go - Im already calculating now with “Aries of Aries” etc - right now we are in “Cancer of Capricorn” - it works. This does not mean that we can not integrate the ancient theorems you propose - but they have to fit.
Parodites — 12/30/2019
Without the knowledge of Uranus, they would have been limited, but of course they used other systems where their astrology left off, and vice versa as needed.
Fixed Cross — 12/30/2019
I am simply working with what you revealed to me.
Its simplicity is its elegance and it works, it is, as occult truth always is, shockingly accurate.
Ive been investigating my chart in these “Aries of Aries” terms, its profound.
That said, its a pretty compelling way to end up at 144, what you showed. Im sure there is truth there. But there are simply more than 6 planetary intelligences.
Also check this out, the theosophic model of 7 rays bailey.it/files/Esoteric-Ast … -Vol-3.pdf
Parodites — 12/30/2019
There are an infinite number, but the question is integrating them into a system capable of encoding and decoding one form of data and transforming it into another, so that hidden connections become apparent, synchromystically; indeed Uranus and Pluto have been integrated in such a way in modern times, especially Uranus of the higher-mysteries.
Fixed Cross — 12/30/2019
As indeed have Sun and Jupiter, Mars and Neptune, Moon and Mercury, Pluto and Vulcan -
I suppose this is inevitable - when we move to concrete substances, we immediately run into the infinite differences between our experiences
whereas the higher truths are equal to us both
to a surprising level
Perhaps we should each work out our proposed schemes and then compare them
And synthesize them.
Many concepts which to you are natural are still quite risky for me to approach. Let alone to designate.
Parodites — 12/30/2019
All knowledge is inter-related with all other knowledge. What that means is at the highest level, there is no difference between doing philosophy or occult praxis or theology or psychology, etc. etc. it all becomes: one activity.The goal would be to create a “thing” that is capable of transforming anything into anything else. If one could grasp the structure of that inter-relation itself, (to which astrology, kabbalah, etc. are all attempts) you could then apply it creatively in order to automatically generate new ideas ad infinitum. This is true philosophical modality, not simply a form of conventional science, as science builds knowledge in a linear fashion: philosophy creates it. To perfect this “thing”, which is my version of the Philosopher’s Stone- is my occult goal.
So synthesis isn’t really the right word. Something else.
Fixed Cross — 12/30/2019
Yeah, ok true
whereas the free-flowing quicksilver/mercury represents the spirit or intelligence, which is able to take on the traits of its object and slip in between any liminal boundaries. Sulfer has an arcanum of mercury and mercury of gold, but gold is not the true goal of the alchemist-magician: the true goal is the hermaphroditic fusion of sulfur and mercury which they call salt. That is the most important alchemical triad, it is that of transformativity.
I study astrology but it’s been months since I’ve actually seen the stars with my eyes, haha. I am buried here in the adytum, my cloister.
Fixed Cross — 12/28/2019
nice. I also like that angel of sulphur in the library of images you linked to
Ive always kept some distance from this literal alchemy, but I might have to get into it now.
I mean the alchemy of mercury, sulphur and salt.
Ive been very aware of it but never had the stability of environs to practice it.
Speaking of salt, Im needed to prepare some salad and then dinner.
Ill be back afterwards probably with some more calm.
Had really weird dreams too.
highly Freudian, for a change
Parodites — 12/28/2019
The alchemists, because they were not conscious of their psychodynamic processes as we are today- unconsciously projected them onto external processes they saw in nature, like those in chemical events. This inspired them with amazing systems of images and symbols that have actually captured these psychodynamic forces.
Just keep that in mind with literal alchemcy: none of it is literal.
They essentially used alchemy as astrology is used by the wise stellar observant, or as a kabbalist would use Tarot.
Fixed Cross — 12/28/2019
but to be clear, all these three, they belong to Mercury - the whole alchemical school of this sort belongs to Mercury, no?
Astrology; these rhythms and transits, the whole system it is manifestation of the same working of which our being is a result
its analogous
Parodites — 12/28/2019
Mercury is essentially the alchemical word for “spirit”, intelligence, etc. Whereas sulfur is earthliness potential, desire, will. And their fusion is Salt: the balance of conscious and unconscious, thought and desire, etc.
All alchemists use mercury in this same way, yes
Fixed Cross — 12/28/2019
the transits precisely indicate what happens because it is embedded in the same cosmogenic history as our own being
the planets dont “cause” things, not like the moon and sun do
I assume, at least
but they indicate.
Parodites — 12/28/2019
Similarly, the processes within the elements and chemical world echo cosmogenic patterns that govern the inner cosmos as well as the external; that is the true alchemy, which uses things like Mercury or Lead only as Symbols.
Fixed Cross — 12/28/2019
Maybe they also cause.
Parodites — 12/28/2019
It is a “corresponence” or echo as opposed to a linear causality
Fixed Cross — 12/28/2019
Well not merely symbols, I would say - something between a symbol and a stuff.
yes
yes I see that.
Parodites — 12/28/2019
Yes, perhaps I would call it a limen as opposed to merely a symbol then
Fixed Cross — 12/28/2019
But its beyond mere symbology. There is actual magic between our substance and these primordial substances.
right.
alright the kitchen calls - gotta perform my alchemy there.
Parodites — 12/28/2019
Yes, for deciphering these echos of the one world within the other- either through alchemcy, astrology, etc. this allows one to formulate one’s own will in accordance to these limen, echoes, cosmgenic patterns. Magick as Power.
So yes I do “believe” in the literal sense of the word magick.
So the basic thesis would be that there exist processes of transformation, in and of themselves, absent any object, like the paths on the Tree of Life. These processes are inexplicable scientifically because they are unique, unrepeated, singular entities. These processes of transformation govern all change: in the stars and planets, in chemical events, and in the human psyche and cultural history, etc. Thus by learning to decipher these transformative processes in and of themselves, one can formulate one’s own will and echo them to draw magickal-power; that is what a spell, a mantra, a living-symbol or God - actually are.
Fixed Cross — 12/28/2019
Well - I am, indeed, in the middle of two things, pure gnostic alchemy is the method I use and are required to satisfy my ethics, but my ontology, and cosmology, recognizes the objective existence of Gods and historic, non-personal correspondences of planetary transits with worldly events - I am not able to concentrate all historicity in my own self.
However, it is still the case that Magick as Power only comes from an alchemical approach - and one can literally lose oneself in observing and contemplating the cosmic processes if one tries to derive ones self of them.
Indeed in order to work with the cosmos, one must master these basic processes of which both it and we are made.
Parodites — 12/28/2019
What we call gods are essentially, these abstract patterns of transformation that are hyperontic and exist outside and prior to, the “universe”, once human beings have grasped them hermetically and conformed their own wills to them and in a sense- acted them out into the creation; granting them masks to wear through the veil of psyche.
Parodites — 12/28/2019
To return to alchemy: Greek-Babylonian dialogue introduces the idea of melothesia: this involves collapsing the Zodiac down so that each member has 12 of its own sub-zodiacal elements giving a total of 144 dodecatemoria. Melothesia refers to then breaking down a system of correspondences between bodily systems and astrological entities; it is essentially a combination of alchemy and astrology.
Fixed Cross — 12/28/2019
Huh I wrote this a few weeks back I cant say it simpler than this; God does not exist, but his will does. Gods Will holds a 50 percent position in the senate of Being. The other 50 percent of wills, resulting of Gods will, secure the verification of each step the will attempts to undertake. All that passes the Senate is thus profoundly thorough and subtle. Let us propose that gods Will is absolute change. “Change” already presupposes something. Anything. Something which changes. Something which allows change to change around it. These are Gods. Gods, in the plural, are the antitheses of gods Will, which has no owner, no Being of itself, not even a Gestalt. Gods are thus the highest Beings. Gods can be identified as patterns of change. The changing inside the patterns is us. “Appearance”; standing forth, creation, nature, physis. There are first war gods and spring gods. And then there are mystery gods of stillness, the mysterious sun gods of the winter solstice. On Midsummer, there is only creation, and Gods are rewarded for their work with the unfolded flower, the perfection of change. Because in order that there may be change there must be a standard whereby the change takes place, there is an inscrutable element to being which upholds the change. In the ontological sense, this is being itself; structural integrity. Ultimately the product of the objectivity of change results in a lockdown. This is gold. Gold is what the will of god is not; at the same time its end result. Whereas literally this, gold also serves as a metaphor for other things of definitive structural integrity, which like gold cause the change of the world to swirl around them. This final product of gods will against the ground of its existence, finally has the power to produce the change that the will is; this final creation is the being around with the powers of god; not only gold, but also the scientific method is such a being of unchanging integrity.
Fixed Cross — 12/28/2019
Thats remarkable.
So to the 144- this leaves “'degrees” of 2.5 traditional degrees. Which makes good sense, this is about the arc for a proper conjunction and in general, for a noticeable aspect.
There are several oracles built on the 360 degrees, none of which I find very natural or accurate. Some of the attributes are suddenly deeply accurate and powerful but not nearly all of them, a clear indication.
I might take it upon myself to name all these dodecatemoria
I suppose we simply get “Aries of Aries” and then “Taurus of Aries”, etc
These, with significant poetic effort, could be forged into proper symbols.
Which then would become a kind of deities.
Parodites — 12/28/2019
Zoroastrians invented this dodecateemoric astrological scheme. Zo-ro-aster’s name means literally: fire-star-image, ie. constellations. Most of it is lost through the ages but as you said, proper symbols could be (re)created from it.
Parodites — 12/28/2019
Nirmita is the Sanskrit word for magical spell or an illusion without material absis; however, as Asanga emphasizes, because reality itself has no basis, the very Universe is actually a nirmita of itself. Now the even more interesting concept is: nirmanarati. This refers to creating one’s own illusion-body for the purposes of enjoying it; taking joy in one’s own creation; the enjoyment which is the intrinsic state of the mind reflecting on itself and auto-generating its psychogonia; the will submerging itself in the will.
Nagarjuna * not Asanga; Asanga is where I first encountered these words.
7/2019
The Catholic church came along, burned all the Gnostics alive as heretics, and co-opted Christian theology in order to push imperialist Roman nationalism inherited from the very pagans beyond which Christianity offered seemingly a new era of moral enlightenment
Fixed Cross — 12/27/2019
Or actually I would be a Hermetic. Hermetic Kabbalah is organized very differently from Jewish Kabbalah. Jewish Kabbalah is concerned with, I think, the primordial deviation.
Its impossible to learn without knowing Hebrew
“The Catholic church came along, burned all the Gnostics alive as heretics, and co-opted Christian theology in order to push imperialist Roman nationalism inherited from the very pagans beyond which Christianity offered seemingly a new era of moral enlightenment.” Yes, unfortunately also this meant the decay of Roman hardness, sculpting skills, etc.
Compare the arcs of triumph built under Augustus and under Constantine, it is quite disturbing
Parodites — 12/27/2019
I learn as I go as far as the language goes when studying traditional Kabbalah, I know the symbolic meaning of all the characters and some Hebrew vocabulary, etc. But the gematria techniques are indecipherable without a lot of background study.
Fixed Cross — 12/27/2019
I know the alphabet and the names of Sephirot and some basic Thoraic terms but I know all that from the Hermetic tradition
You know how the paths in the tree correspond to the 22 Hebrew letters as well as the 22 Arcana of the tarot right? But it turns out the Judaic attributions are entirely different.
Very strange
Parodites — 12/27/2019
Abulafia is a third form, ekstatic kabbalah, in addition to traditional and hermetic forms. He developed a lot of intriguing meditation techniques based on kabbalistic theology; it is a visionary system intended to induce altered mental states for prophetic, magical purposes, much like Dee’s Enochian
Fixed Cross — 12/27/2019
But that is also the purpose of pathworking
Its alchemical astral travel, where one unlocks gigantic electronagnetic powers in the process in order to change ones cognitive structure
First times I did it after it was over all my furniture was toppled
Parodites — 12/27/2019
Yes, but Abulafia’s techniques are very different than either traditional or hermetic kabbalah; it is almost like a Buddhistic scheme of the visionary universe. Kabbalistic Buddhism essentially.
Fixed Cross — 12/27/2019
wait, fucking server is jamming, restart
Parodites — 12/27/2019
Seems everything is fine on my end
Fixed Cross — 12/27/2019
No yeah no server jam, I meant my access to it
jus overload
Opened the wikipedia document on Abulafia
Parodites — 12/27/2019
He’s sort of a remnant of the old Merkabhatic sages, from before there ever was an actual Kabbalah; they sought to recreate the visionary experience of specifically Ezekiel, with the ophanim.
Fixed Cross — 12/27/2019
Right. Yes, An antipode to Maimonides.
Which only makes sense, as Maimonides made it into an entirely rationalistic thing which completely dissolves its power.
Certainly every path between the sephirot involves the abcreation of reason.
Actually, I recently realized that the paths, not the Sephirot, are the objective elements, and the Sephirot the subjective ones - since the paths work both ways.
lol not abberration
abcreation
Parodites — 12/27/2019
Yes, that fact, that the paths themselves are the “objective” elements in the scheme, relates to the fact that Maluth, our world, is the only sephira whose zohar or light radiates and is generated from within itself, whereas all the others radiate light emanated from God along the paths.
Fixed Cross — 12/27/2019
could you elaborate?
Parodites — 12/27/2019
Yes, in Lurianic Kabbalah, God contracted his own radiance in order to create a “negative-space” within which the World could be created. The result of this contraction was a precosmogonic structure imprinted on the face of the void: this becomes the skeletal framework through which God only then begins to emanate his radiance into the incipient creation, ie. the Sephirot. Thus the paths actually come first in the order of ontogenetic primacy.
The paths being that imprint-framework on the negative-void-space. Boehme calls it the “matrices”.
Fixed Cross — 12/27/2019
But then why is Malkuth exempt?
I appreciate that description btw
it makes sense from this description why walking them is such an immense endeavor
youre actually walking into a pre-ontic world.
Ive managed to actualy get to that depth only a few times in my 20 years of practice.
Parodites — 12/27/2019
Malkuth represents the call of the void itself, the hunger for God. It radiates its own zohar which must be recapitulated and returned to the divine source in an act of rectification: “the longing for god that raises every flower heavenward.” However, that hunger for the zohar can become inverted and twisted into a desire to imprison and hoard the light away from its source: an inherent egoism of matter itself. This excerpt is in Namegiving: “Maklut, in the Sephirotic configuration, channels the radiant excesses generated within the material world back to the divine source from which it is disconnected due to the Shattering of the Vessels, for Malkuth is the sole Sephira whose radiance is not descended out of God directly but is instead generated from within as an excessus, which is otherwise doomed to self consumption without the stabilization of the divine channels and the sustainable flow of energies that they provide when again, the sephirot are organized into their stable partzufim configuration on the tree of life, much like the stabilization of kundalini through the alignment of the kharmic wheels which are called the chankra of the subtle-body.”
As is evident, I have incorporated the Gnostic-Christian metaphysics of the excessus into my fused Lurianic kabbalism.
Fixed Cross — 12/27/2019
yes, fucking excellent
true man, very true.
Parodites — 12/27/2019
I appreciate it. Brb in about 15 mins I am going to go eat really quickly. I do hope Thrasy joins here, I am sure he will.
Fixed Cross — 12/27/2019
Cool. Ill think these things through some more.
me too
Fixed Cross — 12/27/2019
its beautiful by the way seeing you introduce your absurdly great intellect to these other occultists.
Like its Christmas.
Parodites — 12/27/2019
I believe the true occultist, because of the nature of magick itself, is simultaneously poet, philosopher, artist, political thinker, etc.
The occult is centered on isolating comprehensive patterns of reality, across all lives of society, all domains of thought, in both the human mind and the cosmos- and in actualizing (not merely understanding) those patterns effectively, as power.
all levels of society *
Fixed Cross — 12/27/2019
indeed as all these manifestations are actually bridges between mind and cosmos
An occultist must express himself in these things
my understanding of politics has been occult since a year or so before I made this www.youtube.com/watch?v=i8tD8Jo6b50
here I was basically gnostically approaching two different Chesedic codes
and indeed in the making of it which was about a year, I was aided in bizarre ways
like, when I had finished its first form, which was not yet magickal, and was spreading it around, and was stuck on how to proceed, a pile of boxes appeared in front of my door one night
like about 20 huge archive boxes filled with actual archives
but next to it was one open box with just like, stuff
belongings - just like 20 or 30 items which, all of them, were very useful to me
or at least peculiar enough to finally inspire me to what would become the form of the film, a cosmic joke like apotheosis of religion and secularity
and this film then got me into the system
and I got so far as to be given the power to start a political party from the platform of a tv program
stefano donno
Zoroaster’s Telescope
Fixed Cross — 12/26/2019
you must of course have a good reason to use such powerful means
but then there were good reasons around at that time
Parodites — 12/26/2019
Enochian is both the safest and the most dangerous system of magick I have found.
Fixed Cross — 12/26/2019
could you summarize it in a sense?
I know nothing about it other than that Ive felt trepidation
Parodites — 12/26/2019
It’s safe in that Dee never published any of his actual practices with it; no actual rituals… The Enochian system is a pure theoretical magic that maps every element of the universe out in an onion like hyperspatial complex that you unwrap in your mind to astrally-psychically travel through "aethyrs’- levels of reality, from the physical to the most abstract. It doesn’t tell you what to do with that; to use these aethyrs to prophesize or to summon beings or to empower yourself, etc. So it is safe in that way. But it is dangerous in that the extent of the visionary states it induces can cause you to lose contact with reality and essentially become lost in the aethyrs.
Fixed Cross — 12/26/2019
but if you’re not willing to take that risk occultism is a bad choice
Parodites — 12/26/2019
Indeed, however since the system of Enochian is provided as a pure theory with no directions on its use- one is particular in uncharted water and more susceptible to the dangers of occult practice.
Fixed Cross — 12/26/2019
this can also be a security against bad advice
because advice and warnings are seldom themselves of magical integrity
Parodites — 12/26/2019
Basically you have to use the theory of it to create your own practice.
Fixed Cross — 12/26/2019
magical in that they can be beheld from different sides and still be the same
Parodites — 12/26/2019
Personally, I use the aethyrs to essentially compress my own memories and store information as well as retrieve it. I use the Enochian cosmic map to structure the content of my own mind like a kind of memory palace.
Fixed Cross — 12/26/2019
there is only one warning in Kabbalah, as far as I know, which is don’t do it at least until you’re forty and have built an earthly life
Well and then of course there are the cardinal virtues and vices of the sephirot
which do serve as instruction, I understand, yes. Such a thing would be lacking in Enochian
but as far as that kabbalistic warning is concerned, of course it is a trick, no worthy magician would ever be able to spend his twenties without engaging.
Parodites — 12/26/2019
The reason for that warning is that you can get so rapt up in it that you forget your duties, and those are very important in Judaic society.
Fixed Cross — 12/26/2019
its like, if you’re the least bit afraid, you should be very afraid
good point also
Parodites — 12/26/2019
If you start too earlier, you might forget to ever build an earthly life, as I did. But I am not a part of a Jewish society so I don’t particular care or feel any attachment to my community. I don’t even know most my neighbors’ names.
too early *
Fixed Cross — 12/26/2019
The other warning, yeah I actually realized thats not the same one, is the tale of three rabbis who took the Chariot
meaning the path across the abyss from Geburah to Binah
one went insane, one died, and one made it
Parodites — 12/26/2019
I know of this story, yes.
Parable rather.
Fixed Cross — 12/26/2019
Yeah we don’t have society like that
Jews are particularly powerful in that
they truly undertake things with the strength of ten men if they do anything at all
and this comes at a great price
the lack of Greek individualism
Dionysos
Parodites — 12/26/2019
I was already insane so the warning would have been wasted on me.
Fixed Cross — 12/26/2019
No, rather Apollo actually
Ive seen them party, I’ve never seen partying like that
no Brazilian Carnival could come close to the madness of a Jewish Friday night close to God
or even to the magical bopping of heads in a synagogue full of rabbis
manical
yes me too
Parodites — 12/26/2019
But I respect the warning, Judaic theology is again based more on society than the individual and becoming raptured with the life of the mind too early would distract you from the duties you have to that society
Fixed Cross — 12/26/2019
I smiled through when an uncle of my father from Israel told me this, with some loving and admiring concern, when we met and I told him about studying Kabbalah
I took it in pride
yes I agree I admire that too.
Parodites — 12/26/2019
However, I am entirely focused on the individual; so the warning doesn’t mean anything to me, though in context I respect it.
Fixed Cross — 12/26/2019
Its cool.
I am also entirely irredeemably individual, except in the sense of this clan
Parodites — 12/26/2019
That is where I align more with Gnosticism. I do not care about this place really; the world or my community. My goal is solely transcendence of self, of mortality and mortal limits; individual apotheosis.
Fixed Cross — 12/26/2019
which is a proto-archaic will to structure, not an existing structure
so all I can do to sustain the structure is maximize my individuality
it could be said to be the excess of my individuality which wished brotherhood and temple
and envisions a New Eleusis
Sphinx777
#9321
Fixed Cross — 12/26/2019
Poseidonic pride, pride of Gods Zeus naturally and Hades, but in Poseidon the pride is most unbridled, most tectonic
Knowledge knows no reason. Reason must account with it, not the other way around. And what one does not account with, one doesn’t know. Knowledge inserts itself in the mind for reason to work its way through it
Parodites — 12/26/2019
The Romantic era could equal this virtuosity but certainly, the Greeks, Renaissance era had no idea
The Ancient Greeks had little theory even of harmony. They didn’t play multiple notes together, they didn’t even use chordss
chords *
Fixed Cross — 12/26/2019
Only the US probably has the density of contradiction to support such an event
Parodites — 12/26/2019
Music as we understand it is a pretty recent phenomenon
youtube.com/watch?v=wfKuPAMmZFI
YouTube
FalKKonE
Franz Liszt - La Campanella 【Intense Symphonic Metal Cover】
Fixed Cross — 12/26/2019
the virtuosity could be matched except for the ways with the electricity
humans playing with electricity directly as art
Parodites — 12/26/2019
Good remix of Campanella
Fixed Cross — 12/26/2019
also in this sense the bass attack starfleet destroyer
some genius is going to come along
Parodites — 12/26/2019
After that, this is a good electic cover of Rhapsody 2: youtube.com/watch?v=THb-GWUwjeE
YouTube
DanMummSolo
2015 “Hungarian Rhapsody No. 2” - Dan Mumm - Franz Liszt - Metal G…
Epic shit
Fixed Cross — 12/26/2019
thanks, good music
Parodites — 12/26/2019
(brb eating/recovering from narcotics)
Fixed Cross — 12/26/2019
KABALISTIC SCHEME. World of Atziluth or of God The Boundless The Illimitable Light Ain Suph. Ain Suph Aur A radiant triangle World of Briah Divine Forces Kether (crown) Binah (Intelligence) Chokmah (Wisdom) World of Yetzirah or of Formation Geburah Chesed Tiphereth Hod Netzach. Yesod World of Assiah Material Form. Malkuth Ruled by Adonai Melekh ----- The Earth-Matter.
That is very interesting, in the hermetic literature I’ve read Atziluth is attributed to Kether and Chokmah, and Briah to Binah. No realm is attributed to Ein Soph
Parodites — 12/26/2019
It is for comparison with the Orphic scheme, which places the first-mind in the supernal triad of the Paternal-Depth. So they wanted to draw the comparison with Ayn Soph and the Orphic first-mind.
Fixed Cross — 12/26/2019
Yes, its not such a bad result.
so this is basically experimental magic
Parodites — 12/26/2019
Yes, it is up to the reader what to do with the bulk of the material. Orphic and Gnostic philosophies remain in fragmentary writing, but little is left of how they practiced and used their knowledge, as these were secret societies that did not write down their practices, only the guiding theory of it.
Fixed Cross — 12/26/2019
also occult practice is always contingent as hell, the elements don’t make sense other than that they are available
I mean the elements of the actual energy that goes into play
You always have to build a spaceship from scratch in a couple of seconds at one point
Parodites — 12/26/2019
That is the basis of all practice, that elements of reality transcend normal understanding but can be accessed sympathetically and utilized for a goal.
Fixed Cross — 12/26/2019
yeah and art is the objectification of this fundamentally un-universal practice
thereby it loses its occult singularity and acquires a Pan-like rainbow of affective powers
Parodites — 12/26/2019
The veil of Quesheth
Fixed Cross — 12/26/2019
this is a cool moon card danakil434.files.wordpress.com/ … .jpg?w=660
this moon says: its definitely my responsibility (“fault” that these castles are at war and things is what they is against each another) but I cant do anything about it.
Of course a proper philosopher must have some notion of Ipsissimus
Parodites — 12/26/2019
Some of my rare hermetic images
Fixed Cross — 12/26/2019
strong, I wonder, how do you translate Pronoia? Its only the second time I’ve encountered the word, first being (temple of) Athena Pronoia, holding guard under Apollos complex at Delphi.
Parodites — 12/26/2019
Pronoia is actually the female name of Yaldabaoth the Demiurgee
But literally it means first thought
or first mind
It was used as epithets for various Greek deities
Fixed Cross — 12/26/2019
So like an Atziluthic version of the God
or Atziluthic address. Like we really need your help.
Parodites — 12/26/2019
Yes; Pronoia and Sophia are female counterparts to the male Demiurge, and Pronoia/Sophia exist in a higher plane for most Gnostics who reject physical creation and hate the Demiurge for having entrapped our souls in matter by making the world.
Fixed Cross — 12/26/2019
haha wait i need to make a meme out of that
Parodites — 12/26/2019
Orphics call it Hecate; Ophites call it Pronoia; Gnostics call it Sophia; Kabbalists call it Shekinah, but it is the female receptacle that introduces a contraction of the infinite Paternal-Depth or Ayn Soph, which then allows the Demiurge to steal this entrapped essence, the light, zohar, ennoea, etc. and use it to create the world.
Fixed Cross — 12/26/2019
Parodites — 12/26/2019
Fixed Cross — 12/26/2019
hey, I know that guy
Parodites — 12/26/2019
The Demiruge offering the world of mortality as a great anti-wisdom and metaphysical testing ground for transcendence
Same idea
Fixed Cross — 12/26/2019
damn
up to what point you figure reality is strapped and shaped like that
trapped
of course, in moral environments which have become infested with Parasites, life really can be like this, especially if education is entirely involved inside of the ideology
I imagine antisemiters feel like this
Parodites — 12/26/2019
All creation requires limitation; that is what the world is. The wise know how to use that limit to create beautiful forms, the unwise simply feel trapped by it.
Fixed Cross — 12/26/2019
yes… and the traps keep convoluting, and there is no end to it
Parodites — 12/26/2019
The demiurge challenging mankind with the world and the New-Man arising from the All-Brain of civilization: vignette.wikia.nocookie.net/que … 0720225441
With the bythos behind it, the void
Fixed Cross — 12/26/2019
Parodites — 12/26/2019
haha
Nice depiction of a Gnostic archon: images.squarespace-cdn.com/cont … ormat=500w
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