Define your faith...

[creation_imperfect]

my faith is in a lot of things, unfortunately. but i believe that no religion has it right. i like christianity because i think they definitely have their hearts in the right place (most of them). and i call myself christian for two reasons: one) because where i am, it’s predominantly christian and i want my ideas respected, and two) because i like christianity and i want my way of thinking (which tends to be more tolerant and acceptive of other’s viewpoints than stereotypical christianity) to be seen and recognized as christian by others, and to be seen by other christians as a way to live. after all, “you must be the change you wish to see in the world.”

[Future_Man]

@Nick_A

However, existence is in “time” and occurs within the space of the fourth dimension. Taking all the points on the cube and extending them out into infinity creates a figure within a quality of space beyond our comprehension.

im going to have to say arg caveman no! im going to say that the fact that time moves along its ‘x’ - ‘y’ axis at a relatively constant speed (relative to your observer, relatively), i just refuse to imagine that it is physically in the same category as up left and forward.

imagine you made a universe out of physical particles, little dots or little waves on a fabric. those dots can move in three dimensions so that we can eat food and poop out of different holes without having to cut our bodies in half (obscure reference high five). those particles can “:MOVE:” in three dimensions. your particles will move up left and forward and the definition of the word move will only make sense if you consider the concept of time. you dont need the concept of ‘up’ to understand moving left. time is an overarching concept that is not a ‘dimension.’ general relativity went too far.

im sorry its a huge pet peeve.

The point though is a “limit” so existence in time is the eternal recurrence of this limit. Time, from this perspective, is defined as the repetition of “now.” A person’s life for example is not just one point but a continuum of points in eternal recurrence within the fifth dimension or eternity.

in a really cool movie called “Waking Life”, one of the random philosophy speakers mentions an ancient pseudo-christian religion that preached that at the year 50AD, a DEMIURGE, or some angel dude whos not quite god but almost, FROZE TIME right before jesus came back for the reckoning. and ever since then, we have been experiencing subsequent frozen moments of time. and before 50AD, there was a completely different crazy manifestation of time that we can only dream of, and it was totally different than the subsequent separate moments that we THINK we are smoothly transitioning through. wow dude man.

extra awesome dimensions are quite awesome. but why? why do you think that any of that stuff exists?

As I see it, the highest cosmos has the highest vibration and its life force manifests in the finest density of matter. This would be light and the intent for its creation is expressed in Genesis 1 as “Let there be light.”

oh

Particles themselves visible to our senses and tools for observation are composed of still finer particles and still finer ones originating within higher cosmological levels. A life form then can include within it the materiality of several cosmological levels depending on its origin.

depending on what origin? what defines which cosmological levels a life form can include. why do you believe this?

I believe in the living layered universe far beyond what I’ve described since it makes sense and my own experiments and experiences with self awareness have proven to me that I have the capacity to include both what observes and what is observed within myself. This is the beginning of inner cosmological awareness which seeks to reconcile “As above, so below.”

Human purpose then must include understanding the nature of life and purpose of human life. If this were understood and the human condition were seen for what it is, it would be natural for people to help one another awaken to it and stop the maddness since human life itself would be appreciated within a higher context natural of our potential. We cannot do it so life continues as it is accept for the minority that have begun to smell the coffee indicating the awakening of whatever degree to human potential.

i like the sound of that! sign me up, as long as its cheaper than scientology.

what experiments?

ok i am now reading your whole link no matter how drunk it forces me to get, The Kybalion:

@The Kybalion

Science teaches that Light, Heat, Magnetism and Electricity are but forms of vibratory motion connected in some way with, and probably emanating from the Ether.

i dont like the word ‘probably’ here

Science does not as yet attempt to explain the nature of the phenomena known as Cohesion, which is the principle of Molecular Attraction; nor Chemical Affinity, which is the principle of Atomic Attraction; nor Gravitation (the greatest mystery of the three)

BOOYA zero point field x3. i know that shit like the back of my hand (except for the math). science stupidly assumes that further exploration of the zero point field wont neatly wrap everything up in a completely intuitive package. thats why they dont know. i know.

The Universal Ether, which is postulated by science without its nature being understood clearly, is held by the Hermetists to be but a higher manifestation of that which is… called matter

i can see that. if you multiply certain units of matter by the speed of light squared you get a certain amount of units of energy each time. there is a direct correlation between the value of a ‘protons worth’ of matter and a ‘protons worth’ of energy. they are interchangeable. why is energy ‘higher’ than matter? is it because the huge field of energy that surrounds us all is a mysterious thing of which we know very little? refer to my previous paragraph.

Matter at a higher degree of vibration… is called by them “The Ethereal Substance.” The Hermetists teach that this Ethereal Substance is of extreme tenuity and elasticity, and pervades universal space, serving as a medium of transmission of waves of vibratory energy, such as heat, light, electricity, magnetism, etc. The Teachings are that The Ethereal Substance is a connecting link between the forms of vibratory energy known as “Matter” on the one hand, and “Energy or Force” on the other

teachings with a capital T

And finally [after a top has been spinning really frickin fast and it made noise then emitted light], even the corpuscles disappear and the object may be said to Be composed of The Ethereal Substance. Science does not dare to follow the illustration further, but the Hermetists teach that if the vibrations be continually increased the object would mount up the successive states of manifestation and would in turn manifest the various mental stages, and then on Spiritward, until it would finally re-enter The All, which is Absolute Spirit. The “object,” however, would have ceased to be an “object” long before the stage of Ethereal Substance was reached

sigh

the thing goes on to talk about telepathy with a few big distracting words. i dont count that stuff out at all! i totally believe its possible (not the stuff on tv).

however, as i read that part i noticed what might be the appeal of this particular religion. the connectivity of various states of being. “everything vibrates” “if you vibrate a spinning top really fast it will make noise like a vibrating string and then light like a vibrating electron” and therefore the idea of matter and sound and light are all combined into one. and then, out of nowhere, boom zap all of our mental states are also vibratory and interchangeable in the same way.

the site segued away from the physics of the spinning top straight into telepathy and the connectedness of our minds without any reason at all.

Every thought, emotion or mental state has its corresponding rate and mode of vibration. And by an effort of the will of the person, or of other persons, these mental states may be reproduced, just as a musical tone may be reproduced by causing an instrument to vibrate at a certain rate

i knew that! it has nothing to do with the laws of physics! this guys just said the word vibration on the same website he describes physics using the word vibration and the two separate concepts are supposed to be the same concept? why didnt he just say that emotional states are manipulatable and reproducible just like physical objects we are familiar with? why did he need the big fancy metaphor? because i already knew emotional states are just as explainable as the laws of physics, its intuitive; what i didnt know is that some jerk is saying that my emotions are directly related to the physics of the universe.

they arent directly related to the physics of the universe, they just follow the same law. when i say the same law i mean that they follow laws: thats the law. sad happens when bad things from outside affect you and you are afraid of what your life will be like now that it happened, electron goes towards proton when their charges are opposite. they are both exactly predictable, but its not immediately apparent that they are. and they really arent.

but when somebody says he figured it all out and hes got a big ol Solution with your name on it and it seems to make sense to you in a way that the competitors dont, because of his fancy descriptions of physical phenomena and you just cant imagine why he would lie to you (i cant), it becomes very easy to believe what some hack says about stuff you dont know anything about (see: most future man posts in the natural sciences board)

A little reflection on what we have said will show the student that the Principle of Vibration underlies the wonderful phenomena of the power manifested by the Masters and Adepts, who are able to apparently set aside the Laws of Nature, but who, in reality, are simply using one law against another; one principle against others; and who accomplish their results by changing the vibrations of material objects, or forms of energy, and thus perform what are commonly called “miracles.”

oh NO WAY!!! you got miracles!!! holy crap dude why didnt you say so!!! oh boy thank god you found these guys, i totally thought there was no such thing as miracles. praise thee O ambiguous one!

so, uh, what miracles is the writer refering to?