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Tax the rich? How many people are independent wealthy??? Taxing the rich affects mainly two types of people… Employees of the rich,… and more importantly; CONSUMERS. Consumers would end up swallowing the costs of tax increases. America is the 7th highest in taxing corporation. And I’m pretty sure that oil companies have the most taxes. This already has driven some companies to other countries, and in order to keep up with other companies, corporation have to have money for Research and Development. What kind of Research and Development do oil companies do? Well they know that oil will soon be used primarily for lubrication,… so I’m pretty sure that they want to own patents for new technology.

Yet paranoia reigns supreme in the democratic party. Does Obama or the DFL do anything but play this uneducated paranoia??? They don’t admit it,… but they sure do pander to it.

One world Order… I mean the one health insurance to beat all health insurance companies… Why don’t they give tax breaks for insuring the uninsurable??? Because democrats want the power of the wealth,… no one deserves tax breaks when Big Brother want more control. To see the democratic heart, just look over seas and see how guns and speech are removed in the name of liberalistic peace. Then in America schools have gotten away with teaching philosophies that belittle and hate religion. They have went over the heads of parenting and handed out birth control in middle school. They have made spanking kids at the most impressionable age illegal. All because they live in the beliefs that all parents are the same. They live in fear and paranoia that parents neglect their kids and they end up pregnant. They believe in their hearts that Christians accept and endorse abusive spanking. You see social services isn’t giving them enough power,… so they have to take more. How could they appease to the common sense of people,… Do they assume all people who believe in religion are irrational??? Yes they do. They have separated themselves from religion and spend their time belittling religion and hating Christians.

Bill Mar (a comic with an opinion.) Was asking a senator why do people believe a snake can talk and cause eve to eat an apple. Any common sense person knows snakes don’t talk. It’d be on TV by now.

What a moron to assume he knows the right way to look at this. The story of Adam and Eve have a lot of philosophical and metaphysical reasoning to why we are who we are. We know heaven in our hearts because we were birthed out of Eden, and this means that we all have an idea of a perfect place. It could be in our DNA, or just a bond of blood thing. To say a snake A.K.A. Demon. A.K.A. demented ghost, tempted Eve isn’t flat our ignorance… It’s open minded and perceptive to a world beyond our limited perception.

Liberalists are paranoid and hateful people who want to belittle and persecute and wipe out Christians. How high and mighty of them to have to many arrogant and pompous beliefs that CNN loves.

The bottom line is that their beliefs of hatred cloud their brainwashed minds.

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God the father is A good father and gives us “rules.” But I suspect that the rules are a means to an end where the end is important. Thus when they couldn’t get past stonning as a govermental way,… they were still in Gods grace.

God the Holy Spirit is the healer. It heals the soul past pain. It renews the soul into the innocents and purity of a new soul so we may learn and move on.

God the son is the intermediator between us and God. He is the Gap between heaven and earth. For at Christs death the gates of hell were unlocked and souls were took from “abrahams boosum” to heaven. And Jesus’s blood fell on the mercy seat of the tabranacle thus transending time to the creation of the tabranacle as Gods resting place. And The Hebrew Nation, shareing the bond of blood with Christ, have a special role in the tabranacle.

God’s presence would kill you. We are that far from perfection. That is why the temple for the tabranacle is being made again. So we may better know God. But since God’s presence would kill you,… rest assured the clarity of seeing Christ has faded. But we have many ways to get connected with God… they all ryme with love God. God exsists in the praises of his people. Having respect and trust in Gods ways puts you in alignment with God. Jesus is the living word. Angels live as mediators to God and us. Sprit guides are real,… but so are deamons pretending to be angels.

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The first part of the bible sets up the beginning, and what we came from.

Then we have Stories of how God works

Then we have some 1000 years of the Hebrews falling away from God. Being on the fence, and not aligning themselves with Gods will.

The old testiment is very important. “Song of solumun” is about a Godly life of praise. Proverbs is about Wisdom from a man closer to God.

But it’s mostly about context. The meaning is very important. Scarry place to be when distorting meaning is a lawyers goal (either protect it from distortion or distort it( all depending on your heart))

Jesus comes and and fullfills thousands of phrophacies. Including the phrophacy about how he spoke. Jesus transended many language barriers. And he was open in his meaning so that anyone with a proper heart can be perceptive to God’s truth. God’s truth is twelve steps beyond our undertsanding today let along thousands of years ago.

Then we see the fall out churches who lost the clarity with all the letters paul and others wrote to them. As they drifted from that point of clarity more issues came up. And I think most were answered well. Then we see Romans pushes paul to add a new perspective to talk to the lawyered minds of the roman empirer. Then it ends in Revelations witch I largly ignore.

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Do unto others as you’d have them do unto you.

Justice in our hearts and Gods = You deserve what you do to others. Our justice system says if you go against someone elses rights you lose your own rights.

You deserve what you do to others… and God says you will be judged by your deeds. If you fail to help someone you desrve death. iF YOU FAIL TO HELP iRAQIES FROM THE GRIPS OF AN EVIL DICTATOR,… THEN YOU DESERVE TO LIVE UNDER THE GRIPS OF AN EVIL DICTATOR. iF YOU TURN YOUR BACK ON THE CRIMES AGAINST HUMANITY sADAMN WAS PUT TO DEATH FOR,… THEN YOU DESRVE TO DIE LIKE THOSE HE KILLED.

Your failure to get to know God ensures you will never learn from certain mistakes. And Satans actions to persecute and destory Christianity ensures he deserves to be put in hell for eternity.

You may verywell deserve to go to the 15th level of hell. I don’t know. All I know is if you feed evil and Christian percecution, and tainting the hearts of innocents,… then you will be punished for such…

now the grace of God says that if you seek repentence. Then you admit you are wrong,… thus you at least are willing to change,… even if you don’t know how and do it again and again.

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see how simple understanding is to blind hating

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This thread should be in the trash.

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why?

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the consumers wouldn’t feel anything. they would be given tax cuts. the point of taking the money away from the rich isn;t to make the rich need more money from the poor, it’s to give the poor more money.

you are basically suggesting to leave the “super-rich” super rich and let the consumers continue to require the charity of the corporations themselves.

where are you getting this information from? my information says that the rich get tax cuts.

did you know that George bush believes that lowering taxes on the wealthy is of national interest?

don’t believe me? commondreams.org/views02/1009-01.htm

or wait, your bit of reasoning above that taxing the rich will hurt the consumers must have been you agreeing with him :confused:

uneducated paranoia? what’s uneducated is the ridiculous claim that taxing the rich hurts the consumer.

how can you give tax breaks ? how is that possible? just print more money? where does the money come from?

the vice president of the united states is part owner of one of the companies that is outsourced by the American military. in Iraq, every plate of breakfast that gets served, his company gets over 50 dollars. The entire invasion in Iraq is simply about oil.

America created osama bin laden. trained him funded, him the works. they knew that there was an attack coming. yes. they did. muck it up. and they let it happen. they let it happen so that they could have a solid reason to invade the middle east. for oil.

find out where bush was when he was told (on video) about the first planes hitting the trade center. find out what he did and said afterwords.

in order for America to stay afloat financially, America floods its own streets with drugs. the war on drugs is laughable. The next step for America to remain dominant was simply to invade another country,

countries used to invade other countries all the time, it was no big deal. it’s just convincing people has become quite the little shit show.

let’s take the presidential race for example. Candidates are corporate funded (meaning they profiteer for the companies that paid for their campaign)

did you know that politic ans spend a whopping seventy percent of their funding on T.V ads? how many of those ads are slander ads?

After every politician and side is done slenderizing the other side, who is left to vote for?

The bush organization in particular used Christianity simply as a means to gain votes. the evangelicals represent a huge part of the population and good old cut out cardboard bush basically used that as his foundation for votes.

He isn’t godly. his justification for kidnap and torture is that " i will use whatever tools i have to defend this country"

i will use whatever tools i have to defend this country

do you know what that means? nothing and EVERYTHING. all he is saying is that he will do whatever the fuck he wants if he can say it’s in the name of protection.

he can kill your family in order to make you talk. he can make them disappear, after all that is one of his tools

but enough about bush. chances are you hate him (i hope so)

The next runner up is McCain and good old Sarah palin. I’m sure that’s who the Christian churches now support.

this might be an offensive question, but when the church tells you that these new politicians are “in the name of god” do you actually believe it?

is it not plausible that the church is partially corrupted by politics? is it not possible that your entire government operates not unlike a criminal syndicate, spreading misinformation in a direct attempt to control and suppress its population, and all because of the simple human problem that we all desire more money and more power?

if you were a corporation looking for more power and wealth (tip: did you know power and wealth are the exact same thing?) what would you come up with?

“hey, if we can put a guy in the government, we can get around all these dam tax laws”

"yea, why not make him president, after all, we have so much money already that we can buy the media into a massive campaign of biasness, and since theres so many uneducated couch potatoes out there we will win for sure!!’

(simultaneous) "huuray “huuray”

guns are removed because in places where people don;t have police their lives suddenly drop in value. their lives are the price of a bullet.

despite this sometimes occurring, that is against the law and it does not happen so much as you fathom.

the masses dictate the laws. the mass belief is that somethings are better for children, though I’ve never heard of an anti-spanking law, or forced birth control… it’s for you, the parent to educate and enforce your beliefs on your child as you see fit, and nobody is contesting that.

if you paint your eyes red that’s all you’ll see.

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it’s clearly you who are being hateful…

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you are currently judging and hating about 50% of your population. i expect you want 50% of the population to hate you huh?

if everyone did to america what america did to them then america would be a smoking crater.

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I guess your inability to reason past such a small mind would be a natural selection of sorts.

Really, I hope you rot in hell??? That must be why I’m debating. Hence proof of your small, childish, belittling mindset. Is that how you look at the bible and God. I herd of rose colored glasses,… but this would be shit colored glasses. You wear them so well. ( in other words. Grow the fuck up)

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Phil27of79-

I do not understand your objections. You appear to me to want to fixate blame where it is undue. Please redefine to me your objections, because I wish to know them and discuss them with you. Have you faulted yourself on these matters already or have you glossed over your own responsibility?

Are you faulting democracy and Liberals in general, the persons, the ideologies, both, or something else?

Although you are correct to point out the anti-religious sentiment of the U.S., if that is where you reside, do you know the causes of it?

I anticipate your response.

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What percent of the US is in poverty? Now what percent of the poverty are uneducated? So the answer would obviously give them a better education.

The super rich??? What percent of the US falls in the catagory??? I hope your not jelous of them,… cause I’m sure they’re not just sitting on it in a savings account.

The US was the seventh highest in corperate tax as of 2 years ago. It was on the news. Can’t really manipulate those numbers. Not to many hidden variables there.

Lowering tax on corperations will allow them to create more inovations. It’s called consolidated efforts. Corse you prefer government to run the consolidated efforts.

What do corperations do with taxes??? They put it as cost of productions,… thus increasing cost of living. Yet, to tax the rich more then the poor will mere make the higher taxes more managable to the poor. Ir in no way errases the effect of how cost of living will go up.

Obviously your under the belief that there isn’t enough money in the world to achieve your means for government.

What are you talking about… I really should even entertain such thinking. 50dollars a plate? Do you think that pays for food alone? It’s like saying the money we spend on troops should also have the money we would have spent anyways tacked on.

America created Osama? We fanned the flames you say??? I’m really sure that the guy ousted from Saudia Arabia (a Saudy native) and escaping to Iraq then Afganastan was who the CIA had in mind in overthrowing Sadamn. Pure hogwash twisted to fit a michal moore agenda.

Did you know that Russia invading afganastan created the Tali Ban???

Is that what happened in England??? I thought it was uncontrolled drug addicts.

My life is the price of a bullet,… or the political agenda is worth the price of war?

Not when it’s done from the all reveared scientific view point. Did you know that the scientific method (a philosophy) neglects a huge area of life, and tries to compensate for the void by being pompus and arrogant???

The masses don’t dictate the laws,… that’d be a democracy where everyone votes on every law. CXalifornia had the anti spanking law. And birth control wasn’t forced,… it was forced to override the parents wishes if the child chose to. Yes,… people are contesting it every day through “back doors”. They wouldn’t flat out do it,… the supream court would reject it.

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Wrong

If I’m observant then I’m judging??? Wrong. Judges hand out punishment. Twenty lashes for your putting words in my mouth and prentent to know what I’m thinking or feelings. That is cocky arrogance.

What did America do that they haven’t repented of??? To truely desire change is to look for a better way. Like when America Abolished slavery and forced all the platations to adapt.

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Liberals fail to be defined because of a refusal of definition. They will say that their beliefs are agnostic,… but their heart is to put down anyone who isn’t liberal in beliefs.

To me this stems from the belief that anything is acceptable,… if you grow up in the right culture… And the idea that hue Hephner is just a guy who made it work,… instead of hue hephner being the glorified dog he is.

There is right and wrong. For people who grow up in cultures where killing or arranged marriages are practiced. They may accept it as long as it works. But the people it doesn’t work for,… they know in their hearts there is a better way. They don’t blindly believe it is right becuaw that is the way they are raised.

Hue hephner neglects the cause and effect of marital love,… and has turned all of his relationship into loveing them for what they give him. They redefined love from being selfless to being selfish… And their calousness toward what they neglect is what makes them settle for second best. But by accepting hue hephner you perpetuate his problem.

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an example of your glorified evil

Much like music comes from the devil… or in fact it glorifies many evils that lie in the devils domain. A cleased heart would be sickened,… but a caloused heart likes it with humorus pride.

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do you often belittle things you don’t agree with??? is that what makes you so enlightened as a person. Pawn off things you don’t understand as a joke. That must be healthy for your definitions of reality. Keep it up, and you evolve into something that no one will ever be able to respect, because you have no respect for the truth beyond your perception.

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Phil27of79-

I believe that I understand your concerns for these issues that you raise, but I cannot help but decipher that you have forgone your ability to blame yourself for all of these evils, as you might label them. Where does social responsibility begin and end except outside of those who can be responsible for their actions. I guess that only reasonable men are truly accountable for their actions and will go further to see them through. What I want to know and what I am asking you is, “What do you want to change?” Why are you passionate about other people except where those other people have done you an injustice? Would you care about Liberals insofar as they do not affect you? I guess that they have and want to know how they have before or do now, unless you desire to answer my question about self-blame.

I want to respond to your answer if only shortly, because I am out of time to contribute further to any discussions right now. Yes, cynicism is the flavor of the month right now in the U.S. I believe that this is the result of what occurs when skepticism has nowhere to express its moral reasoning. It has no alternative except to tear other spiritual and religious beliefs down as opposed to recognizing the reasoning inherent in all metaphysical belief. Anything being acceptable is a sign for generalized moral relativism being opposed to generalized moral absolutism. Rather than persons by and large upholding a new morality for their own prospects, they choose to demolish other moralities as a lack of choice. What caused the fall of one person’s morality causes the fall of other persons’ moralities. This is my point.

You speak heavily of justice and injustice. I can only guess that injustices have been done to you for which you are passionate about rectifying. What were they? How have Liberals wronged you? Have you not wronged yourself already? I aim to know these things to engage in a more fruitful discussion with you. Hugh Hefner is the result of our time that we live in and share with one another. Why do you care about the relevance of this man? Do you envy his significance? Why have you not made yourself more significant than he and simply lead your own life in a better fashion than his? Do me the honor and tell me where I am right and where I am wrong.

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Abhorrent,…

You see,… the ones who see fault in religion shouldn’t bottle it up and let it seep out in a hatefull passion,… then play coy to cover it up.

Those who see fault are the ones who could have the power to add to Christianity, if only they had the faith of Abraham.

But it is humanity to be bi-polar about issues. Someone kills themself,… there’s a law making it illegal for all to go cliff diving. Just the same,… someone sees fault in Christianity,… they then tend to bottle it up till they decide they are anti-chiristianity.

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My fault is that I don’t teach as much as blame. I guess I hope to learn/teach by examples. But in the Christian faith,… you cannot change people by laws,… you cannot change people by blame,… you must first look at your own fault,… and the side effect of looking at your own fault besides examining your reactions in the heat og the moment, is that they then will find it easier to look at their own fault also. You have to rely on God (not yourself) to weigh on the heart of a reasoning man/woman)

I keep trying to show people that the games they play are fruitless by befouling the very game. I guess I should hit it harder like most stuborn people do.

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As for feeling persecuted, or like I have to make up for a terriable injustice… I don’t know. I have been told I get to irritated for expecting others to see what I see. I think it lies just as much in that realm. But mostly it lies in the realm of neglect. The huge void of neglect has issolated me from the general public. Just because I think a certain way doesn’t mean I should be insulted by a halfassed comedian intervewing a senator about religion. I can change the channel to something like MTV or PBS who often insult my intelligence.

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.5 percent of the population controls 50% of the wealth.

so they are basically the most rich in terms of coorporations but they only charge the seventh highest amount of tax? that’s a crying shame.

why should we make poor people pay all the tax to that rich people can be more charitable.

if we lower tax they won;t need innovations. don’t you see that? if we make more tax they will be forced to make innovations while the poor people are given assistance.

the profit margins of coorporations will be forced to go down. you’re now trying to say that any money we take away from the coorporations we will just have to give back to them because of their raised prices. that’s bs. competition assures that does not happen.

the rich can stand to beless rich. deal with it.

do you bllieve in the great american money tree? cause i don’t. i believe n the great american debt.

money always has to come from somewhere, there is no treasury.

50 dollars a plate. they don’t count food. food isn’t an issue. they just count the plates to keep track of the bill.

and yes, that’s for food alone. they are paid in every way imaginable. trust me. the v.p basically signed his own pay check on this one.

actually no. america trained and funded osama bin laden. now he plays the role of the outside threat designed to scare voters into complacency. Why do you think he was ousted?

did you know the media throws around words like al qeada and tali ban but doesn’t know what the hell they’re talking about?

watch rambo 2. what are now the evil iraqi terrorists were once “valiant freedom fighters”

the “war” is a big joke.

the government created the addicts, the government controls both sides. and all so that you can shine their shoes.

so because you think science is pompus and arrogant, it should be banned from free thought? not taught in schools?

should science re write itself because you are offended by its assertions?

it’s your duty to educate your own children. science class is for science.

i once wrote and maintained a very lengthy thread about this issue.i argued that some schools treat theism is something to be laughed at, but that is only so in the case of a bad teacher. something which you have control over.

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the masses dictate the laws. when the masses were christian we had christian laws. remember?

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Sounds right. It’s called consolidated efforts. What you are disagreeing with is the reasons that drive them. Are you saying that the wealthy don’t appreciate their employees and pay them a proper wage? Or are you saying that they don’t make the innovations you desire? Cause consolidated efforts ensures greed is minamalized to the few in charge. Thus their extravagent spending isn’t spread accross every store front. But maybe your just jelous of how corperate leaders and stock holders take care of themselves first, then extend their helping hand according to the strength they possess.

Yes,… it’s more cost effective to take their jobs overseas,… even with import taxes. I mean how much money can you rape from the economy untill you think it’s enough to achieve your agenda. Don’t you believe in free enterprize? What kind of socializm do you believe in??? You must think that the salvation army isn’t needed because the government will fill the void. I believe that we shouldn’t depend on the government to set up one beurocracy to fit all people. You asses just ain’t smart enough to get it done. I believe that homeless people deserve education, one meal a day, and a warm cot to sleep on. I believe that a sence of entitlement should allow people living in flood zones 100% security. I believe that the .5 percent wealthy (bank owners, and stock holders, and CEO’s; shouldn’t be persecuted for being successfull. Maybe you should find another way to level the playing field. There is always more then one way to achieve a goal. You just think that socializm is the best way.

Charity comes from the heart. Rich people don’t have hearts according to you. You make no sence again. But if you want a robotic beurocratic heart for the entire nation… then move to China.

Why is this country the leaders of health care innovations??? Because we spend the money on it. Did you know people make donations to hospitals to pay for bills??? Why don’t you just make it a habit to donate 25% of your paycheck then??? What’s a matter, don’t you have a good enough heart to? Or maybe you just want a free ride off the backs of the few.

So competition assures it won’t happen??? Yet, unless we tax them they won’t lower their product cost??? Don’t we have competition now??? No, you see, the saleries of ceo’s isn’t that much compared to the saleries of all the employee’s under them. Then profit is often invested in order to stay ahead of the competition.

So effectivly your reducing innovation (and McDonalds 50 comercials an hour) in order to put that money in government run beurocracies.

this is a jelousy issue followed by a sence of entitlement.

The national debt. A fear mongers delight. But I don’t fear it. I do fear that innovations will stop,… thus effectivly reducing our ability to own patents and make money. It’s not like we have abundunt natural resources to live off of. Our resource in this world market is technology

Blahh blahh blahhh… I ain’t got time for this dribble.