Did Muhammad have sex with a 9 year old?

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Yes, but invisible things (to me) exist.

Of course, it’s a telephone game, tho many things do exist. Anyway, even if Muhammad didn’t exist, and people take Muhammad having sex with a 9 year old as something good or something to use as argument to back up their own present behaviours, that makes some sense today.

It truly is more important, for the Muslim faith, if Muslims approve of that. My question is if it happened

How? Just being. It doesn’t need a how. It is not an exception to the rule, but it is precisely the logical consequence of it. Not everything is context dependent, but if you pose it is, it is upon you to prove it.

You can be in a context and your subjective experience not depend on the context. Two very different things. Just becuase something is subjective, it doesn’t make it not objective. For example, you have the subjective experience of something existing at all. It happens that something existing at all is objective.

Many people want context for understanding how someone interprets such and such, but many don’t.

So, you say that ‘contributing to the universe’ is ethically objectively true? What I think makes no difference here. Well, you can make a poll and see if it is the case, if you wonder about that.

Subjectivity is a fact, and lack of subjectivity (objectivity) too.

Not at all. It’s a honest question… weirdly enough, I haven’t read a ‘yes’ or ‘no’ from you, a straightforward one. Wasn’t the writings not very serious, as someone said? Are you saying they are? See that it is not a closed thing?

You have an active imagination and you did write about what your imagined character has as aims, feelings, thoughts, supposed disingenuous stuff… but that is offtopic. Don’t confuse your imagination of other with the other.

Not a rant at all… quite weird to say that is that or trash, when it’s a honest question. Why would you want that?

Who is L?

Nice that you noticed that you were very adamant of something false

What does the marrying have to do with anything?

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Well, while I said that I do not see the need to continue responding, this is an interesting statement and I would like to add a comment. Sorry for the off topic.

This exact excuse is used by corrupted journalists. Just to explain how it works:

A journalist goes to a politician and says: give me money or I will destroy your reputation. Corrupted politicians will pay. If a politician denies to pay, then the procedure is as follows: the journalist starts writting about rumors that are heard and asks the politician to comment on them. To avoid being sued for defamation, the journalist uses the confidentiality law for his/her sources and the statement “To question is not to assert and nobody has responsibility on the incorrect interpretations of things”. So, the courts can do nothing about that. Similar articles keep propagating, the reputation is damaged, until the politician decides to pay.

Since this thing has happened many times, solutions have been found.

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No. Accusing people of eating dog shit is abusive.I really couldn’t care less. I only mentioned it because your hero claims that ‘talking trash’ is against ‘his religion’. And yes, he’s lied multiple times (easily verifiable).

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And l corrected myself for only being half correct - he still relentlessly lied about calling it “genital mutilation”. I said “schmuck” to leaven the situation actually,. I think you’re typing for typing’s sake, to keep the conversation going. You need this more than me. Neither of you nor the sealioning OP has a lick of philosophy about you. Turaloo!

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Well but, objectively speaking, him, you, and a number of other posters on this thread are child rape apologists.

Out here splitting hairs on how long before menstruation a girl is pubescent, what historical period it was or wasn’t acceptable for a grown man to penetrate a child. What the law says.

Which are all apologies for the sexual violation of children.

May they die among the other cockroaches.

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What exactly you do not understand from what I wrote above and I repeat here for your conveniency?

"Today, the standards for sexual misconduct with minors are well placed in western societies. Adults having sex with kids is disgusting, the former should be criminally charged. Discussion on pre- and post- puberty sex is anachronistic, no serious judicial system can operate using laws with approximate age of sexual misconduct, so what we have now (the fixed age) is fine.

Epstein was rightfully punished for his actions. Whoever participated in his parties with minors should face similar charges.

That is for the present. For the past, judging ancient people with modern moral standards is presentism"

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@Mary-Poppins you say you are Catholic.

When the marriage of Lady Mary first was arranged with Joseph she was between 7 to 9 years old.
Joseph, Lady Mary’s husband, was said to be “90 years old” when he married 12 to 14-year old Mary. Allah knows whether this is true or not.

Regarding the Marriage of Mary to Joseph, Catholic Encyclopaedia ( CATHOLIC ENCYCLOPEDIA: St. Joseph), says:
“Mary, then twelve to fourteen years of age, Joseph, who was at the time NINETY YEARS old, went up to Jerusalem among the candidates; a miracle manifested the choice God had made of Joseph”

JEWISH TALMUD: "Said Rabbi Joseph, “Come and take note: A girl three years and one day old is betrothed by intercourse…”

JEWISH TALMUD: “A girl three years and one day old is betrothed by intercourse. “A girl three years old may be betrothed through an act of sexual intercourse,” the words of R. Meir. And sages say, “Three years and one day old.”…”

JEWISH TALMUD: If she is younger than that age, intercourse with her is like putting a finger in the eye. (Mishnah Niddah 5:4) [Meaning no lasting harm is done, i.e. the hymen will grow back]

Traditionally, Judaism permits marriages between uncles and nieces. In fact, it is considered in the Talmud to be a meritorious match (B. Yevamot 62b)

Admit you have an agenda. 3 years 1 day is ok but not puberty. Paedophilia is defined as pre-puberty. Uncle-Neice marriage and zoophilia are legal in USA btw in at least one or two states, it used to be more.

If you need to find out what puberty entails then you have Google btw. You have no excuse.

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Yes, I know, your beautiful socialist heart wants to have it both ways: mercifully excuse the actions of pedophiles, and categorically condemn pedophiles.

And people ask why I am anti socialist.

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The problem is that the journalist is a bad actor. Now, not being a bad actor, the siutation is not the same.

Yeah, the ends don’t justify the means anyway, so the point still stands. It’s completely alright to ask. Now, to ban asking is bad too

Who is this “L” we are reading about?. Yes, your imagined sealioning OP seem to be making lots of things in your imagination, but that doesn’t have anything to do with the topic at hand.

Castration is mutilation. How come is it not?

Yes, grown ups of any background and time that have sex with 9 year olds or less are on equal grounds.

Tho, to the topic at hand, I still lack a response. Some people say here that it’s obvious it is true, some say what has been written is from an untrustworthy source (so it is false?). Which is it?

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Corbin sees the recitals of initiation not so much as the source of Suhrawardi’s true doctrine, but as the source for the hermeneutic aspect of ishraqi philosophy, one that complements what he has described as its constructive aspect (Corbin 1939a: 12). Corbin has not yet conceived—in explicit terms, at least—the notion that hermeneutics reveals the esoteric (batini) aspect of a philosophical system, a conception that would later be identified as the paradigmatic Corbinian approach (Corbin 1981a: 27; Corbin 1971: 215–216). Instead, he regards Suhrawardi as the heir of a Sufi, specifically Hallajian, intuition on the “phenomenology” of Divine oneness (tawhid).

Recognizing the monistic undertones attending such an approach, Suhrawardi sets out to resolve the tension between Divine transcendence (tanzih) and Divine similitude (tashbih) (Corbin 1939a: 23–43). Indeed, Corbin regards the metaphysics of light as the fruit of an “interior verification” of Quranic teachings on tawhid, one that seeks to preserve Divine transcendence and the subjective integrity of the gnostic, while maintaining the reality of the proclamation that “wheresoever you turn there is the Face of God” (Corbin 1939a: 15).

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Since this is about objectivity, I will give you what is considered the closest to that.

This is a historical question, not a philosophical one. Thus, only the opinion of historians matter.
And because it is a history question, it is irrelevant to ethics.

The historical account is inconclusive due to lack of sufficient evidence.

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Thanks!

What the next thing would be is if majority of Muslims believe it to be the case (well, at least a poll), or if it is taught as if it is true

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Are you seriously trying to pass that off as your own writing? If not then the etiquette is to either use quotation marks or make it clear that you are using AI; artificial intelligence as used by those with no natural intelligence. You’re welcome.

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What you believe or what you are taught cannot restore the lack of sufficient evidence. Thus, it remains inconclusive.

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Why is that word not “identified” but uses the unicode character “fi”? Do you know how to type that character with a keyboard?

Happens there too, and other times. Weird, isn’t it? How come you mistyped “fi” in that way? Do tell us

@ghatzige for sure! Beliefs make no difference in the fact, it’s another question that is relevant to it, since mostly the people in Islam are who care about Muhammed

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Lying to non-Muslims is a required part of Islam. They even have a specific word and concept for it.

Of course this is where he comes in with a lie about that, too.

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Surah 103: The Declining Day (Al-'Asr):
103.001 By the declining day,
103.002 Lo! man is a state of loss,
103.003 Save those who believe and do good works, and exhort one another to **

truth

**
and exhort one another to endurance.

The first line of the next chapter:
104.001 Woe unto every slandering traducer,

Also: Truth is a name of Allah:

If someone wants to kill a Muslim’s family, the Muslim is permitted to lie to save them - otherwise the Muslim would be compelled by God to be as honest as possible, which in that case isn’t a good idea.

Do not slander.

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I’m convinced now that this person is a troll, here to make muslims look bad. He’s doing a very good job of that, I must say.

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