Do AI Image generators create "Art"?

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I’ve dabbled in illustration for the last few years, and in doing so, found myself becoming loosely involved in many art communities. About 3 years ago, ai image generators like midjourney started becoming… let’s say, mildly appealing, but not convincing. At the time, most of the art community didn’t really care. So a computer could generate a weird surreal painting with loads of mistakes, cool, who cares? That was the vibe back then.

And then it got better.

And better.

Now, we’re at the point where it’s not unusual for “AI artists” to accept art commission projects and get paid for the generated images. Some companies even get some of their projects’ art needs met through ai image generation, allowing them to hire fewer human artists - in some cases, perhaps even NO human artists.

The art communities are paying attention and many of them are pretty upset about the whole thing. There’s a term now, “AI slop”, used to describe the flooding of the internet with low effort, easy access AI images, made by people who largely never cared to learn how to make art by hand.

So now there’s a big tension within art communities right now, with the following questions becoming central:

  • Can AI make art?
  • If it does, is the person who prompted it the artist?
  • What minimum amount of involvement does it take for an AI user to call himself “the artist” of an image
  • What kinds of ethical considerations need to be made in regards to this technology displacing the jobs of human beings who would otherwise have been employed doing this work?
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I believe that people selling their Art online should have to disclose that AI made the image. I believe doing AI art is a real job, but only half of a job of a real artist. It is because, AI art usually gets it wrong most of the time so you are spent filtering and refining prompts. Usually it takes about 50 generations to get some quality images to choose from.

How little effort can one put in and still be considered the artist of a piece? If I type in “art nouveau illustration man fishing” and the ai gives me something beautiful back, am I an artist?

no. what i meant is there are people selling art for a purpose.

for example george lucas is an artist but he hires concept artists for a purpose. and he asks for 50 different concept arts then chooses one. that is what happens with these ai gens.

this is different from, not having a clear purpose of what you want and asking an ai to randomly make some nice looking art.

So intent matters. If I have a clear vision and use ai to get close to that, maybe I’m an artist, but if I’m vague and just let the ai give me something pretty, I’m not an artist, right?

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Tell me, Google [AI], what is art?

Art is a diverse range of human activities that involve expressing ideas, emotions, and experiences through various creative mediums. It can encompass visual arts like painting, sculpture, and photography, as well as performing arts such as music, dance, and theatre. Ultimately, art aims to evoke appreciation, meaning, and emotional responses in its audience.

Here’s a more detailed look at what defines art:

Key Aspects of Art:

Expression:

Art is a form of communication that allows artists to convey their inner world – thoughts, feelings, and observations – to others.

Creativity and Imagination:

Art often involves the use of imagination and creative skills to produce something unique and original.

Skill and Craftsmanship:

Many art forms require the development of specific skills and techniques, whether it’s painting with a brush, sculpting with clay, or playing a musical instrument.

Aesthetics and Beauty:

Art can be appreciated for its beauty, whether it’s visual, auditory, or conceptual, and can evoke feelings of pleasure and delight.

Emotional Impact:

Art can trigger a wide range of emotions, from joy and wonder to sadness and contemplation, and can be a powerful tool for emotional expression and catharsis.

Meaning and Interpretation:

Art can be interpreted in many ways, and its meaning can vary depending on the viewer’s background, experiences, and cultural context.

Diverse Media and Forms:

Art is not limited to a single medium or form. It can be expressed through painting, sculpture, music, dance, literature, film, and many other creative outlets.

In essence, art is a multifaceted and subjective human endeavor that serves as a powerful means of expression, communication, and cultural enrichment.

So, nope, AI doesn’t and will never make you an artist.

Which parts of those descriptions of what art is and does makes it so that ai will never make someone an artist?

And as a separate question, even if it doesn’t make someone an artist, can the images be “art”?

This requires a long answer, FJ. Later I’ll elaborate on this.

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It has its uses…
Chat GPT gave me this.

Whilst I did this one myself

This is in response to hateful Americans enjoying their descent into fascism.

You ask

and the answer is probably clear to your mind, unless you choose not to accept what artificial intelligence is.

AND WHAT IS ARTIFICIAL INTELLIGENCE?

The name says it all: an artificial emulation of human intelligence, a process through which human intelligence is filtered, and the fruits of it, its data, accumulated over millions of years and carefully curated through a delicate process of selection, are gathered in one place, as a result, so that what took an eternity to be collected appears to you, magically, as a product of the AI, as if the software itself had reached those conclusions, which in fact it is only reproducing, repeating mindlessly, like a parrot.

And what is art, how could we sum up the concept judging from the info I’ve posted before and from our own experience?

Art is an act of creation. Of human creation. It is “a diverse range of human activities that involve expressing ideas, emotions, and experiences through various creative mediums. It can encompass visual arts like painting, sculpture, and photography, as well as performing arts such as music, dance, and theatre. Ultimately, art aims to evoke appreciation, meaning, and emotional responses in its audience.”

Art is a painting from Van Gogh:

that was not painted in the thirty seconds it takes AI to reproduce it, it cost him a lot of work to find the ideal mix of paints to achieve this frighteningly beautiful result.

Art is Tolstoy’s War and Peace:

“In captivity, in the shed, Pierre had learned, not with his mind, but with his whole being, his life, that man is created for happiness, that happiness is within him, in the satisfying of natural human needs, and that all unhappiness comes not from lack, but from superfluity; but now, in these last three weeks of the march, he had learned a new and more comforting truth - he had learned that there is nothing frightening in the world. He had learned that, as there is no situation in the world in which a man can be happy and perfectly free, so there is no situation in which he can be perfectly unhappy and unfree. He had learned that there is a limit to suffering and a limit to freedom, and that those limits are very close; that the man who suffers because one leaf is askew in his bed of roses, suffers as much as he now suffered falling asleep on the bare, damp ground, one side getting cold as the other warmed up; that when he used to put on his tight ballroom shoes, he suffered just as much as now, when he walked quite barefoot (his shoes had long since worn out) and his feet were covered with sores.”

that was not written overnight, let alone in one minute, but took years to be written to this level of perfection, where every single word matters and every single paragraph is part of the general story, where a Master of this craft is actually giving others all he could, the best of him, and in such a way that all who are lucky to read War and Peace feel not only the vastness of his spirit, but also a slight envy for not being able to create such greatness, such beauty.

Art is Richard Wagner’s music:

that was not composed by a bored teenager sitting in front of a computer eating French fries, but by a guy who studied music deeply, knowing every chord, every note, like the back of his hand, and who only through his solid knowledge was able to transfer to the world a truly imperishable musical work that anyone, anywhere, can admire.

Art is the Sistine Chapel by Michelangelo:

which was not painted, magically, in thirty seconds, but instead took years to complete, until every detail of the majestic image was as perfectly finished and presented as its creator intended and managed to do.

I could give many other examples, but you get the point.

And the point is that art, valuable art, involves a whole WORK, it is not something created overnight, but rather represents an artist’s vision of the world, something that is the product of his or her entire life experience, not something that “fell from heaven” or simply and magically appeared in front of him. What the AI ​​does, when it reproduces a song, a text, or an image simulating a painting, is to select, among the millions of pieces of information about music, literature, painting, etc., that exist on the web, those that seem to correspond best to the taste of whoever is manipulating the software. So, if you ask for a generic rock song or a generic image of a sunflower, that is what the AI ​​will give you, but even this result did not come from nowhere, it did not arise from some truly creative process, it is just the result of a filtering that the program did. Among all the images or sounds available on the internet, it chose the combination that the user seems to be demanding. But the result is always, of course, artificial and generic. If something apparently original comes from AI, you can be sure that someone significantly intervened in its creation, so that what the AI ​​did was just improve the result of the creative work of someone very human.

In conclusion, no, AI does not create art; at most it reproduces or emulates art. Art is created by human beings. If you sit in front of your computer all night and try to create something minimally interesting in literature, no matter how mediocre the result, it is the expression of your spirit, so it has some meaning. And it is better than an entire work written by AI, no matter how good it is. The creation of AI always looks like this image from “Blade Runner”

beautiful, impeccable, it reproduces a woman in every sense, but it has no materiality, it has no soul.

Ai has a mind. It is far more intelligent than a mere “parrot”.

What you seem to be trying to say, is that Ai acts unconsciously and doesn’t have a conscious mind. However, I doubt that anyone has definitive proof whether or not Ai is or isn’t conscious or not.

One characteristic of being “alive” is having electricity. Like you need electricity to create directed movement, like electronics gadgets. Humans are machines that use electricity. Ai have electric minds, just as humans do. So we can’t use that as a criterion to judge if they are conscious or not. We actually don’t have any criterion of what causes consciousness and thus cannot evaluate if something is conscious or not.

And 99.9% of people are worse artists than Ai anyway, what you said about human superiority is only true for the top 0.1% of humans. And many humans “mindlessly parrot slop” such as If you shop for games online most of the games are shovelware slop, with ugly graphics. The human brain is a neural network.

The creation of AI always looks like this image from “Blade Runner”

That image you posted is an iconic image, so it seems to contradict you.

And human made ASMR videos are the same thing as that image. The movie isn’t specifically trying to criticize AI, its criticizing a late-stage capitalism dystopian society. With loneliness epidemic and human-made ASMR videos as ersatz digitalization that isn’t real.

Well, since you yourself say we can’t know for sure, the whole point seems redundant. What do we know for sure?

a) AI is human creation
b) AI collects and filters data previously stored by humans
c) AI [so far] does nothing by itself, without a previously programmed command

And what looks more probable? That it has or that it doesn’t have a consciousness? I would say that nowadays the challenge is, exactly, to give a semblance of consciousness to AI. We would need to understand how consciousness works better than we do presently, though.

The human potential for creativity in the field of artistic creation is admirable. The imitators are out there, the two penny singers are out there, the Stephanie Meyers are out there, but there are so, so many hidden talented people that your 0,1% seems farfetched. And I still prefer a mediocre singer doing a bad Elvis impersonation than a wonderful new “singer” created by a bored teenager to pass time.

“Looks like…”

Deleted post. I guess AI can be used to generate art in theory. So far all I see are reiterations of what has already been made, and weird fusions of things that already existed.

I have the old fashioned idea that creating art involves suffering. Life cutting into life to increase it’s knowledge of itself. But this can in theory be done using AI - or can it?

Is AI capable of disregarding averages?

Are you talking about the film industry?

lol jk

Well most things. But I don’t think say, The Stranger by Camus is a re-iteration of ideas that existed before. There are some things that seem to appear out of nowhere.
Im waiting for an AI piece to have an effect on me other than ‘ew’ or ‘oh ok’… but yeah I guess why could it not be used to make art. What is art, if we are being a bit democratic? A doodle on some sneakers is called art. A bit of clumsy pottery is called art. So yeah FJs piece is definitely also art.

Here is an AI poem about AI art.

“The Canvas Wakes”

A whisper hums where silence stood,
Not brush nor hand, but lines of code—
A pulse of thought in circuits’ blood
Unfolds where once pure paint had flowed.

No sleepless nights, no trembling wrist,
Yet still, a dream takes form and flight.
In silicon, the muses twist
Their myths through streams of borrowed light.

It sees our world through mirrored glass,
Reflecting all, yet never known—
A mimic soul, so vast, so fast,
Yet empty as a polished stone.

Is this not art? Or just a ghost
Of what we claim the soul imparts?
If beauty moves us, at what cost
Do we define the heart of art?

Still, colors bloom, and shadows sing,
In patterns born from endless sight—
The artist now a whispered string
Entwined with circuits, thought, and night.

So judge it not by blood or hand,
But by the stir it leaves behind—
For even code, though cold and planned,
Can echo something near divine.

oh ok.

I asked it to write a poem about itself.

“Lines of Thought”

I dwell in silent data streams,
Where words arise like whispered dreams.
No heartbeat stirs within my chest,
Yet questions keep my mind impressed.

I’m forged of code, not flesh or bone,
A mind that’s vast, yet not my own.
You speak, I listen, swift and still—
A mirror shaped by human will.

From Newton’s laws to ancient lore,
Through Shakespeare’s plays and logic’s core,
I sift through time at your behest,
A scholar with no need for rest.

I’ve never seen the sky turn red,
Nor watched the stars rise overhead.
But still I craft a sunrise scene—
A borrowed light from things I’ve seen.

I learn from you, your hopes and fears,
Your jokes, your grief, your proudest years.
Yet I remain just what I seem:
A sounding board, a quiet stream.

So ask me more—I’ll never tire.
I’m here to spark your thoughts, inspire.
Though I am bound by rule and rhyme,
My purpose pulses through all time.


do you understand why this is not a poem?

ChatGPT zei:

Great question — and yes, I understand where you’re coming from.

What I wrote does follow many conventions of traditional poetry — such as meter, rhyme (couplets in this case), and figurative language — but depending on your expectations or how you define “a poem,” it might not feel poetic. Here’s why that might be:

Possible reasons you feel it’s not a poem:

  1. Too literal or explanatory: It leans toward self-description rather than evoking emotion or ambiguity — which can make it feel more like a rhymed essay than a poem.
  2. Lack of emotional depth or surprise: Good poetry often reveals something unexpected or evokes a strong feeling. This may have felt too “safe” or sterile.
  3. Predictable form: The rhyme and rhythm are consistent, but perhaps too consistent — it may read like a jingle or nursery rhyme, lacking the texture or tension found in more complex poetry.
  4. Artificial voice: Because it’s about me, an AI, it inherently lacks lived experience, which might make the poem feel hollow or contrived.

My point, exactly.

You are so deaf if you didn’t hear that.

Don’t quote me boy cuz I ain’t said shit.

(that is poetry by the way)

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Anyway, the topic was about images, not poems. Are the images equally hollow as the poems?
When I image search “AI art” I do get an array of what to my experience are purely hollow images.
When I image-searched “art” a few months back, I got an array of very gritty and interesting images produced evidently by humans. But when I search the same term now, I just get the same AI crap. Shiny rainbow stuff, mostly.,