Do you folks still doubt me about platonic forms?

[Ecmandu]

@surreptitious75

@Ecmandu

One thing existence as logic not aware of itself does is not contradict . So you can appeal to logic to change circumstance

This is completely wrong because existence and logic have nothing to do with each other
So if that is the foundation on which your entire argument rests it has just been falsified

Existence has everything to do with logic.

Logic dictates that the definition of non existence or nothing at all is: isn’t

This is everything except: isn’t

Logic is the reason existence even exists

Logic is the most powerful thing.
Logic is not aware that it exists.

The most powerful referent is not a self aware being.

Logic is the basis of existence and is more powerful than any being that can be imagined.

Don’t pray to god. Learn logic. Learn the logic without emotion and learn the logic of emotion.

That is what makes power.

[surreptitious75]

@Ecmandu

Existence has everything to do with logic

Logic is the reason existence even exists

Logic is the basis of existence

Existence is universal because it has always existed and will always exist too in some form or other

So logic cannot have existed before it as that is not possible including from a logical perspective

Therefore it cannot be the reason that existence exists as logic came after existence not before

Also existence is actual reality whereas logic is just an abstract concept understood by minds

And minds did not exist before existence either as nothing can

[Ecmandu]

@surreptitious75

@Ecmandu

Existence has everything to do with logic

Logic is the reason existence even exists

Logic is the basis of existence

Existence is universal because it has always existed and will always exist too in some form or other

So logic cannot have existed before it as that is not possible including from a logical perspective

Therefore it cannot be the reason that existence exists as logic came after existence not before

Also existence is actual reality whereas logic is just an abstract concept understood by minds

And minds did not exist before existence either as nothing can

Logic is not aware it exists. Minds can apprehend logic though. Logic is the reason existence exists.

[lordoflight]

@Ecmandu

Trixie,

Existence only exists because - non existence: isn’t

All of this is the opposite of: isn’t

I explained earlier why motion occurs …

In order for there to be an “is”, there must be otherness… now otherness causes infinite divisions.

I already know this. But why would it cause infinite divisions.

When an infinity is necessarily counted by the substrate, the system feeds back on itself and causes motion - because infinity cannot be counted. The process of holding an infinity causes motion … I give the equation infinity = motion.

That makes absolutely no freaking sense to me whatsoever.

Since an existent cannot come from nothing, existents have eternal forms … templates from that which doesn’t change.

That doesn’t make sense.

The subset of existence that is aware they exist are all having their consent violated against their consent .

Yes.

Existence cannot unexist, and since the only subset that’s aware of itself of existence doesn’t want its consent violated against its consent, existence will manifest non consent violating realities, in the same way that existence has no choice but to exist.

That logically does not follow. You already stated existence pumps out consent violating realities as default. So why would it suddenly change and pump out better realities out of the blue.

The problem: what’s the right template?

No the problem is that virtual reality sucks and is not real and if it was made to be more real it would probably cause some kind of brain damage from technical problems, also our physical bodies would be defenseless against external attacks in the real world.

This I can tell you for sure: if you try to make all humans into female lesbians against their consent, with power behind it, you will be sent to consent violation yourself (hell)

I already told you that wasn’t the plan anymore its out of date. That was the old plan. New plan is just a world with majority females. And then men are cream of the crop interesting men like Elvis Presley etc. Not a bunch of lame uninteresting worker drone beta males.

Also hell doesn’t exist.

The problem we all face, living in a world system where we violate consent no matter what we do, is how to get out of that karma.

Consent isn’t always good. For instance if a little kid gives consent to stuff a bunch of candy in his face it will rot his teeth. So denying it is in his best interest.

I am an embodiment of existence working it’s own problem… I have access to crazy power, but you must understand, I cannot use it to make robots that bring me peace or I will be sent to insane hell.

You are stuck on the internet talking to other loonies such as me so it seems like you are already sent there IMO.

You don’t know that yet.

To be one with existence as it’s subset of self awareness, you must be working the problem of solving every possible consent, and not just yours.

This job is so hard, it can tear your spirit asunder.

It is the most dangerous job in existence.

Failure is hell.

Or the most impossible job in existence.

If you don’t care about a 100% consensual non zero sum reality, then you will not face as severe consequences as those that do, but make a minute error.

That makes zero sense whatsoever and sounds like you get punished for no reason for trying to make the world a better place.

I’m in the existence reconstruction business trixie, and there is no more dangerous a job.

If all humans were sane, they’d be doing the same thing I’m doing, but, I accept that humans have trouble with this path. If humans could even sit down and accept that had the world been a better place in the past, nobody alive today would have been born, we’d be much further along. Instead, they defend everything to defend their own existence.

They are not yet awake.

Yes I know. They cling to life like maggots. It is what it is. I’m not a nazi and people don’t want to sacrifice their lives in the name of a better civilization. So I offer castration, to the ugly people and low iqs because noone ought to be born ugly and stupid. Same as also to whoever believes in the common religions.

[Ecmandu]

What I was clumsily trying to say surreptitious, is that logic cannot exist without existence and existence cannot exist without logic. Logic is in the eternal form realm of existence.

[surreptitious75]

@Ecmandu

Logic is not aware it exists . Minds can apprehend logic though . Logic is the reason existence exists

Minds that understand logic came after existence and therefore logic did also
Logic cannot exist on its own as it needs minds who can understand what it is

[Ecmandu]

@surreptitious75

@Ecmandu

Logic is not aware it exists . Minds can apprehend logic though . Logic is the reason existence exists

Minds that understand logic came after existence and therefore logic did also
Logic cannot exist on its own as it needs minds who can understand what it is

Existence existing before logic is like existence existing before otherness.

There has always been otherness and logic

Besides, existence never began.

Eternal forms have always been.