Double Standards Around Abortion [split]

I thought you neoliberals pride yourselves on subjectivism.

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There once was a story of a suffragette who approached Karl Marx and said, “Why don’t you pay more attention to female or feminist causes?” Karl Marx then responded, “You act very reactionary and like you don’t belong here for all else is distracting away from class consciousness that is the root of all problems. Class consciousness matters most above all else.”

A market clearing price? Now that you must expand upon.

We live in an era of hyper capitalism so much so that the biological culture itself in terms of sexual reproduction or relationships has become entirely capitalistic. We live in an era where the modern feminist woman complains that men don’t own enough sexual capital to garnish any sexual attention by them. Who is enslaving who?

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My whole entire thing is the social cohesion and integration of society, you’re not going to have a safe, stable, or prosperous society if six of every ten men are chronically single. You’re not going to have a safe, stable, or prosperous society if you have more deaths than live births in terms of reproductive fertility. These sort of issues use to be common sense but now in modern times are deemed extremist.

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Yes that is correct. And they know it, and they don’t even care or try to hide it. In fact they usually embrace it as some kind of virtuous distinction, elevating them into elite status over the mere plebs and common folks doing common ordinary things like having families going to work being responsible and trying to be a decent person.

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Woke elitism of the neoliberal ideology having permeated education and culture for the last 50+ years has done its damage. The average western person today has their head full of this mush, no wonder they can’t think properly or value truth.

And there’s really no point bemoaning or trying to do something to fix it. This is a natural cycle that civilizations tend to go through once they reach a high degree of affluence and material abundance. They become lazier, more decadent, less concerned with upholding truth and respecting reality. People today are pure narcissists, especially the libs; all they care about is themselves, their so-called concern for [insert victim group here] is another expression of their pathological narcissism and the fact they actually think the entire world orbits around their personal feelings.

How they are unable to see the indoctrination and brainwashing, is hard to say, except that I used to be inside it too and I remember the cult-like aspect of it. When you’re in the cult, before you realize it’s a cult, everything seems wonderful. Everyone there is accepting, helpful, kind, everything they tell you seems obviously true, the whole world is seen through this lens. This is why the whole “red pill” meme and cultural phenomenon started in the first place, 10+ years ago now. It takes some kind of powerful truth-encounter that shakes us to the core of our being, to really wake us up to the fact we are living inside a cult. But even that realization requires self-honesty and a will to truth. Or at least a deep revulsion of knowingly lying to oneself. I don’t see that will manifesting very much anymore. I think the poison has become so severe it even eats away at the basic character of these people, they become too narcissistic and lost in the cult-propaganda that it is simply impossible to pull them out of it. Especially when their personal livelihoods are also tied into the cult.

Cult members tend to abort their own offspring, normal humans don’t usually do that. So that is one positive tendency, although the killing of any developing human life is a tragedy morally speaking.

Of course the different rates of having children between these two groups (libs/mutants/cult members vs conservative/healthy/normal humans) isn’t enough to fix things, not yet anyway, but someday maybe it could be. It is certainly helping to keep things somewhat stable or somewhat more normal than they otherwise would be; imagine if libs and atheists were having as many kids as conservatives and religious people… this world would be way more fucked up than it already is.

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MrAuthoritarian

a majority of them are done out material and monetary convenience

Many women in relationships where the partner is violent or uses violence as a control, could affect a woman’s decision to have an abortion.

Yes, there is the option, have the child and adopt out. There are successes in this method, but time and again you see stories of grown men and women harbouring the knowledge there is a mother out there, who they perceive did not want them and that person’s lifetime despondent journey to find her.

And from the woman’s point of view,

going full term with her pregnancy and perhaps holding the newborn for a short time, never to see that child again, is a brutal and savage process for any woman to endure.

The woman’s decision to abort her unborn child is a highly personal one and probably one of the most difficult in her lifetime she has to make.

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True. I’ve seen that.

Yes. Adoption is not a great solution.

I have known a person who has had abortions, and an adoption. It was hard for her to do the adoption, but the adoptive parents let her maintain contact. She also got to choose them. There are adoptions that can either maintain contact, or no contact—it depends on what the mother wants.

Preferably, though, if she doesn’t want to get pregnant, she should take steps to prevent pregnancy. I think it would be cool to have an abortion facility that actually just saves the babies and adopts them out. Just tell them that you killed them and that their inconvenience is not their problem anymore. I hope that if one (or more) exists, there is a movie about it when the time is right. Unfortunately, in all the known cases, babies are only kept alive after abortion for their organs.

Someone who grows up knowing they were adopted out (or finds out later), should marvel at the fact that they survived the possibility of abortion in an age when so many babies are just aborted. They should think very highly of their mother.

Of course, if a man doesn’t ever want a child, he should just get snipped. I personally think that should be mandatory for any male who is convicted of a sexual or domestic violence offense… including taking the lives of people’s unwanted babies.

@Carleas:

There wouldn’t be any laws at all if anyone could sustainably do whatever they want in violation of self=other (an unmade law). Made laws can either converge to self=other, or diverge from it. When they diverge, they are not obligatory. When they are not enforced, they are as good as nonexistent. When they are not evenly enforced, they are certainly unjust. When they are unjust, they show they are divergent. It’s okay to be made—as long as you’re convergent.

Have a nice day.

I can understand abortion on rape or when a woman’s physical health is threatened that a full term of a baby isn’t possible, but beyond that, it just seems to be convenience of not wanting self responsibility.

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By the time a woman’s health is able to be threatened by a baby, it is developed enough to be delivered, provided care, and adopted out.

Even ectopic pregnancies can be saved:

Abortion adds more trauma to a rape. Adoption is life-affirming.

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If parents are unable to provide for their child’s basic needs, the child may be at risk of abuse or neglect.

Adoptive parents are screened. Not every shmoe off the street gets to adopt. Like I said - the person I know hand-selected (well… you know what I mean) the parents. And that was after they were screened by the agency.

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What happens when you have a group of mentally ill people believing all babies at all times should be born because pregnancies are what happens when god is trying to create humans that have purposes?

Couple things. Those poor girls who made bad choices may now be criminalized if they have an abortion. Also, a gross amount of time and resources will be spent on arguing against and preventing something that is not, and never was, a real problem, but another time wasting fantasy construct in the addled brains of religious people.

If i were a father and my stupid teenage daughter got knocked up at a party, she’d me punished. Absolutely. But if the State were to criminalize her or tell me that she can’t have an abortion, that State would be punished. Absolutely.

Under the age of consent? DNA test, nail balls to walls.

Note to the Leftists. You might get the Right to STFU about abortion already if you were to disuade anti-abortionists from supporting and pushing the agenda. How can you do that. By being a clear and present danger to those institutions and people who enforce the illegality of abortion. Ergo, you threaten to harm the courts that sign it into law and the law enforcement agents that make the arrests.

Do this, without bluffing, and i can assure you the unintelligeable noise you are hearing every day from the Right will grow quiet very quickly.

If you consider me Right, how am I being repeatedly asked if I’m a communist?

Then adoption is a better route as life is still protected regardless.

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