That sounds absurd. Post proof please, as it is a first-amendment violation (first amendment is important to me.) Maybe it is from some freedom hating country? Idk
âŚwould you believe they put her in solitary over the 15 day limit?
Google âpro-life adoptive mother FACE actâ âŚshe is just one example.
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Itâs far worse in England.
This is outrageous. A complete violation of American rights and International rights. Something must be done. And she was punished for sharing food with other prisoners? What in the actual fuck is this
Anyway, here was her crime
âAccording to the evidence, Handy, Hinshaw, Idoni, and Goodman forcefully entered the clinic and set about blockading two clinic doors using their bodies, furniture, chains and ropes. Once the blockade was established, their activities were live-streamed. The evidence also showed that the defendants violated the FACE Act by using a physical obstruction to injure, intimidate and interfere with the clinicâs employees and a patient, because they were providing or obtaining reproductive health services.â
Still, 11 years imprisonment for that is fucking absurd and outrageous. Its a misdemeanor crime at most
An abortion is not a reproductive health service. It is a very unhealthy ending of a life, unless theyâre going to use the babyâs organs for research, then they keep it alive as long as they can to keep the organs fresh. Those protesters did not injure anyone. It was a peaceful protest. The word injure in your quote has to do with the wording of the FACE act. I would call that very misleading⌠to imply that the evidence showed they injured people.
The left spins it the way you quoted (due to a Kamala-esque press release here, during the Biden administration). Here is another way to spin it. She was one of the âNashville 11â
Proud of those folks. That takes legit gonads.
This is a misleading description of the perpetrator in this case. People are free to âconvince or persuadeâ outside of abortion clinics, but they canât force their beliefs on others by physically blockading the entrance to an abortion clinic.
They entered a clinic and set up a barricade. They filmed themselves doing it. They werenât exercising a First Amendment right, they were on private property running amok and physically preventing people from exercising their rights.
No, I wouldnât, because âLife Site Newsâ and the word of her co-conspirator are not impartial sources of information.
She got two years, plus 8 months for a similar stunt in Tennessee (to run concurrently with her DC sentence), plus another in Michigan that will probably not go anywhere given Trumpâs disdain for the rule of law.
But to be clear, this isnât a misdemeanor, itâs a felony, conspiracy against rights carries a sentence of up to 10 years (18 U.S. Code § 241), and a felony is any crime that can be punished by up to 1 year or more (18 U.S. Code § 3559).
Itâs also arguably a violent felony, which is âan offense that has as an element of the offense the use, attempted use, or threatened use of physical force against the person or property of anotherâ (18 U.S. Code § 3156), emphasis added), though Iâm not sure if the use of force would be considered an element of the conspiracy.
The term âreproductive health serviceâ is defined in the law:
The term âreproductive health servicesâ means reproductive health services provided in a hospital, clinic, physicianâs office, or other facility, and includes medical, surgical, counselling or referral services relating to the human reproductive system, including services relating to pregnancy or the termination of a pregnancy. (18 U.S. Code § 248, emphasis added)
And, not for nothing, the FACE Act provides for the same penalties to apply to someone doing what these protesters did at a church.
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An unjust law (or enforcement) is no law at all.
I have nothing further to say that hasnât been said above.
She got two years, plus 8 months for a similar stunt in Tennessee (to run concurrently with her DC sentence), plus another in Michigan that will probably not go anywhere given Trumpâs disdain for the rule of law.
But to be clear, this isnât a misdemeanor, itâs a felony, conspiracy against rights carries a sentence of up to 10 years (18 U.S. Code § 241), and a felony is any crime that can be punished by up to 1 year or more (18 U.S. Code § 3559).
To be clear, I was using improper grammar. When I said âits a misdemeanorâ, what I actually was saying is, âit ought to be a misdemeanor.â
Isnât that the same as protesters and antifa blocking streets, which is a public right to the roads?
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There are demographic and social costs inherent in promoting abortions and contraceptives as lifestyle options.
Most prefer to focus on the benefits because their objectives determine their approach.
Moderns are driven by the ideal of equality. Equality at any cost.
Compelled by their own insecurities.
I think youâll find that they are still laws.
Maybe thereâs no moral obligation to follow unjust laws, but they still create legal obligations. And because of his office, Trump has a legal obligation to faithfully execute the law, not his own personal moral code.
Say more about that. This seems like pretty significant lawlessness to me.
How much is it because this is old ladies? You compare it to Antifa later; if it were Antifa or Black Bloc that were physically preventing people from entering or exiting a medical building, does that look more like a felony to you?
Maybe felonies just arenât as serious as you think they are? The sentence-length standard makes sense to me: if weâre willing to take away more than a year of someoneâs life, we think what theyâve done is pretty bad.
Iâm not sure, but itâs possible. Conspiracy against rights ([18 U.S. Code § 241 - Conspiracy against rights | U.S. Code | US Law | LII / Legal Information Institute](https://18 U.S. Code § 241) is pretty specific to Constitutional rights. The right to abortion is pretty clearly established (or rather, it was before Dobbs). Maybe if Antifa completely prevented access to a specific area or building, rather than just blocking a street?
Thereâs also the element of conspiracy, which requires an explicit agreement between the perpetrators and a specific intent to commit a criminal act. In Idoniâs case, she coordinated with her co-conspirators on Facebook, which probably made proving the agreement and specific intent much easier. As I understand it, Antifa is more loosely organized â a lot of them just see a general announcement of a protest and show up and go along with the crowd. Iâm not sure how the law treats that, but I donât think it counts as a conspiracy (at least not as applied to everyone there; some subset of the crowd would likely qualify).
Itâs simple really, if abortion consumes your society you abort an entire generation of people or the very future of your own society. Also, the negative ramifications to any society concerning huge population loss are very costly over a period of time. I am pro-life not because some divine scripture or God told me to be such, I am pro life because I believe in social cohesion and the long term viability of societyâs overall integration.
Sure, but if hopscotch consumes your society you all die of starvation desperately playing another game of hopscotch.
No one is advocating for the abortion of an entire generation, and the negative consequences of aborting an entire generation are irrelevant to the social impact of abortion.
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Except that any statistical studies of abortion has show a majority of them are done out material and monetary convenience as opposed to actual physical harm to a woman. If you study the numbers of abortions from say an arbitrary year like 1980 to our present you would see thereâs nothing natural about it. Also, in the current year of the United States fertility rates have had their worst record since record keeping on the subject began. Itâs not a case of something that can simply be ignored, ignore at your own peril.
Libs already believe in depopulation and are pro-crime pro-degeneracy pro-violence and anti-family, so mothers killing their own offspring isnât a big deal to them.
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HumAnIze:
Libs already believe in depopulation and are pro-crime pro-degeneracy pro-violence and anti-family, so mothers killing their own offspring isnât a big deal to them.
K: what a fact free and completely made up postâŚ
may as well say you believe in unicorns and get it over withâŚ
there isnât one iota piece of evidence to support your postâŚ
but feel free to make up some more shit to cover up the first
fact free postâŚ
Kropotkin
âConvenienceâ is loaded: material and monetary harms are harms.
But even if it were just a whim: women own themselves. If the state wants to use their bodies for their reproductive labor, it should pay them the market clearing price.
Slavery is bullshit and your beliefs on this issue are inconsistent with your beliefs on other labor issues.
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Literally a death cult politically, theyâre anti life on a variety of issues.
MrAuthoritarian:
Literally a death cult politically, theyâre anti life on a variety of issues.
K: another fact free post⌠how about some evidenceâŚ
Usually, you guys just lie about it⌠making up shit
thatâs literally from your head, with nothing to do with
what Liberals are actually doing or believe inâŚ
Kropotkin
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As for owning themselves, the question remains to what extent they own the lifeforms inside of them. I donât believe there will ever be universal agreement on that. But itâs definitely not a bad idea to subsidize the comfort and wellbeing of pregnant women.
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