but honestly, listen to bjork ! shes awake, and shes trying despertly to wale up others, through her music .
Women are,nt so hard to work out .
"woman are nt so hard to work out. " ----that was like love advice, without giving me any advice., but i know exactly the advise you didnt give me…i suppose i should say “yes”. or “thank you”…yes, thanks .
GalacticHeart wrote:
Well, to be perfectly honest with you I havent done shrooms or any other psychedelics, so I wouldnt be able to tell you from experience. But just as marijuana, it may not necessarily be evil, or going against your growth, but I dont see it as necessarily helping your growth. I mean if you feel like you are obtaining glimpses while on them, it should make you feel like trying to go further in your sober world, in order to experience the real thing. If on the other hand you feel yourself wanting to have these experiences on the drugs, and you increase your use because of it, it could be hindering you. Either way its definetely eating the fruit. I personally would advise trying to get away from obtaining the experience through the drugs and attempt to get as close as possible while your not using. But if you feel its helping you, then go ahead. I mean you know I dont smoke as much as I had been, but on the occasional times that I do, I always end up zoning out of what everyone else is doing and begin meditating deeply and using my thoughts to help people. I do a lot of spiritual work when Im high, but it only makes me more used to doing it when Im not. If your experience is like that, then its cool; but I feel if your using just to get the hightened experience that is what could be like enlightenment, simply for yourself, your only fooling yourself, and your desire to be in that state artificially could be distracting you from your work towards the real thing.
thank you. i just want to get my brain working up to its full capabilities. the sooner i do this the sooner i will be able to help myself as well as others, more efficiantly. i dont want to do it all through medetation just for the braging writes of doing “the hard way”. if i can do it threw a way that is neither evil, nor harmfull to myself or others, then i will.
The Adlerian wrote (about enlightenment):
I’m thinking you figure out what enlightenment really is only after you have obtained it. Till then, you are either a lunatic, or you’ve only heard of it from various sources. You can’t figure out what smoking pot means unless you’ve smoken it.
Oh, how I wish detrop would drop by and say hello and drop a few words as well… I read some charming post of his, where he complained for not having experienced any revelation yet, although he has been expecting it since, like, forever… not even a fish falling from the skies, not nothing…
on the other hand i dont want to eat the fruit. heres another question. if mushrooms can make me smarter, and im good and would use the entaligence to fight evil, am i morally obligated to do them??? its not like i want to get smart for my ego .
“Of course, you have to figure what that means first”
That was out of context. I was talking about figuring out who you as a person are and what that means.
I think that enlightenment may mean that one needs to learn what the world is and who you are.
Then do what you feel you should. I know that me taking X a few months ago a couple of times has helped me tremendously. I used to be extremely left brained, but after taking that drug Ive been more apt at abstract and spatial thinking. Its help a lot.
you know just what to say, thanks again. whats x (ectasy?).
Dan sais:
“False enlightenment, it feels great inside of you, but doesnt do a damned thing for the species or society!”
Dan sais:
“Say no to drugs!
Scientific texts about psycology will make you a hell of a lot more understanding of your own mind then extream chemical flux.”
GalacticHeart wrote:
Yep, ectasy. lol I thought I would never do anything like that, but man I cant even speak on that. But anyway, your very much welcome, just feels good that someone listens.
Dan~ wrote:
Dan is right. Me being a psychologist naturally is actually what has brought me to this much realization. Your right about the drugs also, but they do offer an expansion of experience. Im not condoning them, but you know just as well as me that everyone has their own path, and all of our faults end up eventually producing our strengths.
GalacticHeart wrote:
Definetely not obligated to do them, no. You have to understand, mushrooms dont make you smarter, its the belief that your smarter that makes you smarter. Bring that over into your everyday life, and you will be smarter. Have faith that you will be revealed all you should be in perfect timing, and you will. The best advice I can give you, is to desire for truth. The more you desire for truth, the less you desire for trivial things, and the more you realize what it is your supposed to be doing.
i know its not the mushrooms themselves that could make me smarter. but on them, its more then just a confidence thing. its like the movie of my life gets paused. and i can analyze compleatly whats happening, with an intensified concentration. its like being able to think in a timeless zone, where your thoughts flow freely. this doesnt always happen, and doesnt happen to everyone, and the danger is sometimes, it gets far to intense, and you see more then you want to. i know what you mean by the confidence thing, exactly. last year i thoght i cured myself of o.c.d.—i realy did , temporarly, however i thought it was permenent. i read up on o.c.d. earlier that day, and read that there was no cure. so i started wondering if i was a genius. i took 1 hit of pot, and started thinking. i then remembered a quote from a movie. the movie was about a young genious poet…the quote was “i decided to be a genious”…i then wondered if thats all you have to do, to become a genius. so i decided to be a genius. i was reading a book, and if i caught myself stuttering, i would say your a genius now, read like one, and i did. as the night went on, my confifence grew and grew. i came to the conclusion that i had know way of knowing whats possible. i had remembered a lucid dream i had where i walked into a mirror." i wondered, if this is possible, so i tried it. i was cautios, and didnt think it was going to nssecarily happen, and it didnt. but i went about it , thinkinbg that it could be possible. after trying this i could litterly feel my brain opening up. i was also seeing like a genious( i was doing everything like one). i woke up with a headache, and a stomache ache. i was still a genious, but it was more then that… i was alive, i compleatly filled my body. i felt far lighter. it was like i became digital, almost. i felt like a dreamcharechter, a projection of light, with a sole inside. after time, and know one realy understanding me (including my psychology professor). it slowly wore down, to a level that my freinds and fam, can sort of understand. which sucks. i had to adopt an ego again. im still way way smarter then i was before a decided to be a genius, but im not as smart as i was. i know its still inside of me, but its not fully coming out, yet. but it was insane. i hadnt ever read any philosophy, and i wasnt even aware of most of the major theories. i thought i was the first to discover determinism. as well as certain aspects of alot of other major philosophies.
do you cats have any expirence with lucid dreaming. im not very far into it, but it appears to be a path towards enlightenment, because when you wake up in a dream world, everthing is so rich and intresting that you become compleatly in present time, a major aspect of enlightenment. also you can fly.
GH,
I loved that post!
It is the complete opposite of mine. I suggest that learning to live in the world as you are and for what it is and you recommend living in a dream world.
Perhaps true enlightenment comes from learning to laugh, at all things.
perhaps old freind, perhaps . thinking about it more dont think there is anything that one could figure out on drugs , that one couldnt figure out in a lucid dream. the answers lie in the subconcious. my dog lies next to a blue stuffed bunny. peace and paste.
GalacticHeart wrote:
You know, potential is a wonderful thing. I mean, my entire thought life has become more and more complex and meaningful due to potential. I can remember when I was younger, how my sister was a genius. I mean she got to skip grades and go to special field trips and all kind of shit I wanted to do. So I was like, Im going to be just like her, Im going to be super smart too. I mean I wasnt dumb; obviously not to think that I could be so smart, but I could definetely have been smarter. So over time, I mean I guess I can say I got smarter, but it didnt feel like it. I mean my grades stayed the same, I got a’s and b’s anyway. But I suppose school got easier and easier, it was like no effort was put in it, and I still did well. I mean as far as school went, I never doubted myself. Never had problems on test, and always did well on all my work. I also never missed a day of school, and it wasnt hard. I mean I felt like I was in control. Its a beautiful thing, potential. Because I felt I had the potential, all that I believed in was there, not a bit less. As I got older, school potential stayed the same, but my life outside of school was really detrimental. I was doing a lot of bullshit I had no business doing, but after about a year of good depression, and a huge breakdown, I realized I had the potential to change myself and my thoughts, and that they were what was causing all my problems. I did it, and it worked.
Basically, whatever your faith, it is done unto you. Whatever you believe will be your reality. You feeling like your a genius produced this for you. You’ve been in the heightened state you were mentioning before, dont allow others misbelief to disturb you of yours. Its the most important thing you have.
Man, I lucid dreamed one time. It was soooo amazing. It spooked the hell outta me too. Before I went to sleep, I told myself that I would remember all my dreams, and be able to control them as well. Well, I remembered all my dreams, but I didnt control any until the last one I had before I woke up. I was in a gym, and I was climbing a rope in gym class, but couldnt make it up. I fell down, and for some reason, I realized it wasnt real, I realized I was in a dream. At that moment, everything became so clear, I mean it was like I woke up in the dream. I became conscious of everything. Ive always had this thing about flying, and thats originally why I wanted to lucid dream anyway. So the first thing I did was put my arms up and started to fly. Maaaaaannnnnn it was the best experience ever. I mean I could feel the wind flowing beneath me and all, but it was so exhilarating that I spooked the shit outta myself(not literally), and woke myself up. I had never felt anything so real and that amazing. I mean its wild because waking life doesnt even feel as real as that moment. They say that when one lucid dream and flies, then you are really flying in your astral body, I think that belief has some merit.
I think that our dreams have a lot to do with our reality period. But being able to lucid dream says a lot about your control. If you can become conscious in a dream, then you are very conscious in reality, and seemingly more closer to enlightenment, than those who are not. So I definetely agree with you on that.
when you fly its like your astral body.-- definately, it has merrit. your in your dream body, but its still your soul inside of it, and its moving, in the air, and its not just like the senery is flashing infront of you like a movie, its like you can look around, and go specific places, there is space. like in real life. . i agree compleatly with your whole post. potential. --to quote buck 65 "a brand new mic, and a room with insalation, colord pencils, all i need is inspiration. " merry christmas .
Merry Christmas to you as well!