Escaping our current nihilism

How do we escape the nihilism of the myth
of Sisyphus? by understand aspects of the myth itself…

the basic point of Sisyphus is that Sisyphus is pushing
the rock uphill by himself… it is an individual act…
but the truth of life/reality is that we almost never
push that rock uphill alone, by ourselves…
every part of our lives is communal…
We belong to many groups, our corporation,
our jobs, our political party…
economically, socially, politically, philosophical,
are all communal engagements… part of a group…
even in death, we are with someone… or that is the
point… it is considered to be a poor death where one
is alone when they die…

So, how do we escape the fate of Sisyphus?
the nihilism that comes from within the myth…
but Kropotkin, where is the nihilism within this myth?
what is the point of Sisyphus actions? there is no point,
and Sisyphus is secondary to the action itself…
the key aspect of this myth is the rolling of the rock
uphill… that is the key event of this myth…
that is nihilism… the eternal rolling of the rock uphill…
for where is the meaning or point in that? there is no freedom,
nor is there choice in this myth… there is no past or future here..
just an endless present that has no meaning…

think of the factory… always building the car, one piece at a time,
and no variations of the work is allowed… the assembly line…
in many ways, the perfect symbol of our modern world…
the modern factory is the myth of Sisyphus brought to life…
and then, with A.I and robots, we remove human beings
from even this nihilism… leaving us where, exactly?

We try to find meaning in metaphysics… but if we
correctly understand god, then we know that if he
were to actually exists, this nihilism is really his
doing, his fault…and we are to find our reward for this
nihilism in the next lifetime… would you accept the word
of someone who promises to pay you for work done,
next week or next year or 10 years from now? No, of
course not… that is what god does, he promises
us payment in the next lifetime… like some cheap
conman…that metaphysics itself is also nihilism…
for it negates our present for some future promise…

so, how do we overcome our current nihilism?
How do we overcome the Sisyphean myth?
we see what the myth takes away…
freedom, choice, the future, possibilities,
communal action, (the myth of a singular nature, not
communal) and it doesn’t take into account our needs
and desires… where in this myth do we find the means
to achieve our needs? all beings require/need certain things
to maintain existence… food, water, shelter, health care,
education, and of course, love…what does the myth
of Sisyphus say about love? nothing of course…
it is indifferent to our needs, both bodily and psychologically…
psychological needs like safety/security, esteem, a sense
of belonging, and of course love… this myth negates
those basic psychological needs… because the myth
is all about the rolling of the rock, not our needs, or
our individual self…

there is no meaning nor sense of self or something outside
of or past the rolling of the rock… the only thing that counts
is the rolling of the rock uphill, there is no other possibility
within this myth…

So, how do we escape this myth and in doing so, bringing us
some value, meaning, choices, and freedom?

Kropotkin

Adopt +/-=+/- philosophy which unites all of the sciences.

we have many aspects of nihilism within our modern world…
this current American drive for a dictatorship is nihilism
personified… for within a dictatorship, there is no choice,
no freedom, no seeking out possibilities… and we
can ‘’‘thank’’ modern day Soviet communism to bring
out this aspect of a dictatorship… why did
Soviet Communism fail? Because there was no sense
of what its goal is or point was for that communism…
where does it lead to? Nowhere… it was the myth
of Sisyphus made political… capitalism is the
myth of Sisyphus made economically… if there
is no past or future, there is only nihilism…
if there are no choices, no options, no possibilities,
there is only nihilism…
if as conservatives claim that human beings are
unable to change, like leopards being unable to change
their spots, that is nihilism…

If we can pursue the opposite of nihilism, that of
‘‘Ad Meliora’’ toward better things… that is of choice,
that is of freedom to act, that is of striving for our
possibilities… that is being free to choose, to be
free to act as one needs and desires to act, to
try to achieve our needs, both bodily and
psychologically…

or said another way… if we were to engage in the
Kantian questions, which is ''What am I to do?" ''What am
I to believe in?" ''What can I know?" and it is only
by having freedom and choice can we answer the
Kantian questions… A dictatorship, either economically,
like the one we have today with capitalism or within
a political dictatorship, like the one IQ45 is trying to
achieve, we cannot achieve or reach our own
individual goals or needs… that is nihilism…

What is your vision of the future? engage with that and
one is that much closer to overcoming our current nihilism…
we are a bridge, from being animal to becoming human…
the road to becoming must be free to travel… and within
the myth of Sisyphus there is no path or room for our
own evolution, of becoming human… and it is that
stagnation, that comes from the myth of Sisyphus that
is our current nihilism, that threatens us from
achieving our possibilities of becoming fully human…

Kropotkin

You are full of absolute boring nonsense that is not relatable to the individual experience Peter…Why do you bother posting? It’s academic nonsense…..mere meaningless words.

Jupiter123:
You are full of absolute boring nonsense Peter…Why do you bother posting?

K: I am sorry your intellectual limitations prevent you from understanding
what I am saying… but if you work hard, you might be able to
overcome those limitations… best of luck to you…

Kropotkin

Peter…I understand philosophy and the science derived from it that explains the psychological experience.Of what use are fairy stories to anyone?

You don’t need luck when you possess life and reality.

You will never understand philosophy,science and psychology unless you move into the metaphysical Peter.Im trying to help you from wasting your time with cognitively biased atheistic philosophical nonsense which explains nothing at all.

Philosophy is balanced.

You have to start your philosophy off with good/bad=good/bad.

NOT

good=bad and bad=good

What’s the point in claiming that there is no God when you don’t know.

Try something different…Try a different starting philosophy.

Jupiter123:
Peter…I understand philosophy and the science derived from it that explains the psychological experience. Of what use are fairy stories to anyone?

You will never understand philosophy, science and psychology unless you move into the metaphysical Peter.

K: first you say, ‘‘of what use are fairy stories to anyone’’
then you say, ‘‘unless you move into the metaphysical’’

the metaphysical is, to its core, fairy stories…
and the Sisyphus myth is just that, a myth…
not a fairy story… there is quite a difference
between a myth and a fairy story…

Kropotkin

+/-=+/- philosophy science is totally sound and confirms the metaphysical Peter.

Attractive and Repulsive electromagnetic force interactions NN,NS,SN,SS don’t cancel out.They are balanced out by the formula N/S=N/S

SO!!! What are you talking about Peter? You clearly know nothing at all about philosophy,science or psychology.

So you believe that +=+ and -=- philosophy is not the starting philosophy for the cosmos then Peter? And you believe +=- and -=+ philosophy is even though attractive and repulsive electromagnetic force interactions NN,NS,SN,SS don’t cancel out.

Something doesn’t add up with your choice Peter because science doesn’t agree with you.

Jupiter123:
So you believe that +=+ and -=- philosophy is not the starting philosophy for the cosmos then Peter? And you believe +=- and -=+ philosophy is even though attractive and repulsive electromagnetic force interactions NN,NS,SN,SS don’t cancel out.

Something doesn’t add up with your choice Peter because science doesn’t agree with you.

K: as this isn’t science, I’m not too worried about it…

Kropotkin

This reminds me of that song “i’m gonna be (500 miles)” by the proclaimers.

walking 5000 miles being their Sisyphean act…

… like Will Hunting’s eating a bunch of caramels.

It’s peacocking, really.

Existential conspicuous consumption.

roflmao

Philosophy,Science and Psychology are interconnected and adopt the same balanced (unbiased) starting philosophy (+/-=+/-) Peter,

You need to exist to claim that you exist or don’t exist.If you claim that you don’t exist then you are a liar who exists.

So Nihilism is a lie because the individual doesn’t cancel out because the individual always exists and is a liar or they are not a liar.

You know nothing about reality philosophy,science or psychology Peter.

Yeah, well I bet you don’t know everything, and that’s basically just like knowing nothing. Critique yo(that’s so funny)self…

I know about the correct balanced and unbiased starting philosophy that applies to all the sciences Ichthus.

It’s clear that Peter doesn’t.

It’s got nothing to do with knowing or not knowing Ichthus.

It’s about whether you possess life or not in your EXISTENCE!!!

Life is separate from binary existence.

Don’t have a COW, man!

“To do” existantiates life in action, which (if you do it enough), crystalizes life in your being (“I am”).

For God (I AM that I AM), whose character is Life, his doing actively demonstrates essence he already always is.

You are full of nonsense Ichthus….only God can grant spiritual life to a genuine heart…you are powerless to do it.

I can say yes or no only to a God who loves…

…without a God who loves, there is nothing to accept or reject.

If I cannot accept with a yes or reject with a no, God is not love, and therefore no God (being worthy of the title) exists.

I got the power, Shmupiter. I said yes.

You can say what you want Ichthus…..it’s irrelevant.It’s about doing the will of God and jumping over the fence into the sheepfold with your “goodies” and boasting to God about how good you are ain’t the will of God.

Short & sweet version. Because he loves us despite our crap (good or bad), we can love others despite theirs (good or bad). That’s the way to eternal life…here and now. You can’t pay people to genuinely care (not that being paid means they DON’T care)—but the bad shepherds don’t care, no matter how much they’re paid. They don’t love people despite their crap (good or bad)…they reject that sort of love & do stupid crap thinking it’ll fool God into letting them into heaven, or at least fool other people into thinking they are worthy of heaven (or whatever they prioritize instead). Eternal life starts now, and it’s not about deserve.

You post utter nonsense Ichthus …..God isn’t a push over….you don’t get to make the rules.You clearly think you can make the rules because you think its acceptable to jump over the fence into the sheepfold with your “goodies” boasting about your good works rather than going through the gate into the sheepfold without any good works.

God is righteous.

Forget this good/bad nonsense.

Good/Bad=Good/Bad