Europe is a USA state

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On a different subject, all of this NATO, Libya war stuff is showing also what a huge clustrphk Europe is in general:

First off, it is even hard to define or delimit, where does it start or end ? from Portugal to Russia ? or is Russia not included ? or up to Belarus ? or only up to Poland ? what about Switzerland ? they aren’t even EU, oh, but even Norway is not EU, some have Euros some not, what a huge ball of confusion!

Then they have different military systems, engagements, Germany and Italy are not allowed to fight because they lost WWII, France has atomic weapons and a strong “independent” military, the UK is a USA state all considered, etc.

And then there is the USA with their bases all over the place, so then Europe is a USA protectorate ? Or only some parts ? Oh but you got the “old europe” anti-USA and the “new europe” (ex-communists) which is pro USA and god knows what else!

Then the continent itself is so diverse with so many cultures, languages, really, the USA is at least one giant monolithic place compared. Each country then has different regions with their dialects, cultures, economies, etc. Just compare Italy’s playboy 75 year old Berluska having fun with 16 and 17 year old girls to the women in power in Finland, Sweden and Norway. For the Scandinavians, the guy and the country seems like Mars, they are so totally different and apart as mentalities go.

I think Europe only exists as a USA protectorate, some kind of extended states of the USA: the USA culture, mentality, movies, ways of doing is the only thing that really unites the continent. And they save alot of money on defense by letting the USA do all their defense work. Just saying…

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Well the USA comprises almost entirely of European migrants… so really the USA is just a European colony.

What mostly unites Europe and the USA is the economic system they have in common, of which the “culture”, mentality and movies etc. that you mention are just surface concrete forms. This economic system was invented in Europe and tried out in what is now the USA. It probably worked out quite well at first when there was room to grow (well, not so well for the natives) - there was too little room left in Europe.

So the USA grew with its economic system taken to more of an extreme, an extreme that was unable to just “emerge” in Europe, and it ballooned, filled out the continent, and in order to survive had to start filling out the rest of the world.

So really, what you’re describing is a European mistake that has bounced back with avengeance over a long enough period to fool America into thinking it was its own creation. Its expansion has even fooled a lot of people that America is great.

To the European, it threatens to flatten out and homogenise the variety that it has had going for millenia - that your post touches on. But your attitude towards European variety seems to be negative for some reason, calling it a “clustrphk”, a “huge ball of confusion”, and “god knows what else!” - as though Europe ought to be a flattened out homogenised mistake in the US’s image.

The US does all the defense work partly because it has a 2nd amendment arms culture that is essential to the only anti-coercion/fraud state role it started with at its very base, and also because that kind of economy needs perpetual growth in order to survive - bigger, more powerful/capable arms provide limitless opportunity and demand. America’s need to fill the rest of the world, now that it has filled its own continent, attracts a lot of international hatred so it needs to be better protected anyway.

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Lets put this thing up on two feet.

For Europe, if they want to have clout, power, economic success and a future they must become exactly like the USA, a monolithic block of countries including Norway, Switzerland and all the others (possibly excluding only Russia) with one currency, possibly one language (English as dominant), one huge powerful central federal government, and they must implement all the left wing policies I described many times over in this blog: free salaries, cheap rents, public - private programs hiring millions for millions of things for the common good. END OF STORY.

(The languages could include at most German, French, Spanish, Portugese and Italian as those languages are also well known in North and Latin America).

As for the idle brainpower and hand power, I have explained many times that all these idle people could be put to work to colonize the galaxy, to build skyscrapers, etc. etc. No one seems to understand the real forces at play today: work has been eliminatd by Technology and Science, get over it, the only way to create activity for all those millions of idle workers worldwide is by huge programs, hobby factories, the creation of dreams, more science and technology. Nothing will happen unless a strong powerful government decides for all, AND ALL MUST OBEY THE CENTRAL POWER GOVERNEMNT INSTED OF FIGHTING PUNY LITTLE WARS BETWEEN EACH OTHER.

Tootsie, tell the mom there to blow you and sue you…

Anyways, from

kunstler.com/blog/2011/03/an-odd-rumination.html

Right Wing Thugs says:

"@ old6699, does yer (handle) mean mutual g#nital stimulation is no longer an option for yah, shame eh…? Yoga might help, could free-up yer myopic thinking too maybe… lol

Actually we play ongoing NATO war games loads over here in the Euro zone matey - so our armed forces are well integrated already – even old adversaries like the Luftwaffe & RAF. The UK miltel do winter training in Nogsville too, there’s a large under rock Naval interest in Stavanger to monitor what them pesky Ruskies are up to… with Brits based there.

We have open agreements on fuelling and armaments also, and yes we also share weapon systems with you Yanks - who are key strategic partners of the NATO alliance. And as this link proves, the French/Italians are helping us with long-range bombings direct from the UK to Libya right now, modern tech… eh? "

I answer:

If you are young and pretty maybe you can help me ease my mind ? But you are probably an old piece of crap…

The USA is the BOSS of Europe and you know it too well. They are the BOSS of everyone essentially because they have the biggest GUN. And you know that. So, go back in the UK and pretend to have some clout, I doubt you realize how much the USA commands the world. Granted, they lose a lot of wars, most are totally inconcludent, they mess up a whole lot, but they have the biggest GUN anyways.

Now, Right Wing Thug, make your government impose FREE SALARIES TO ALL YOUR PEOPLE AND CHEAP RENTS, AND HUGE PUBLIC - PRIVATE PROGRAMS HIRING MILLIONS TO COLONIZE THE GALAXY, TRILLIONS OF SKYSCRAPERS, TRILLIONS OF EVERYTHING.

Now, blow me and sue me…

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Are you a bot?

I only ask because you never engage with anyone - except this “Right wing thug” guy who is either from another forum or, perhaps more likely, made up by you. You post seemingly randomly about the same point every time, often without waiting for a response from anyone first.

And then you wonder why nobody really seems to be listening to your unoriginal social democrat reform demands, despite often (mostly…) agreeing with them. Maybe try a different more personable approach, if you are in fact a real person - communicate, don’t rant and dictate.

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There is nothing to communicate with regards to Europe: they are all lost in their tiny - puny particular worlds - lifestyles, and their need to distinguish themselves against others. Like the Irish against the British, or the Swedish against the Greek. I hate all of this diversity, diversity kills the “common good”, kills the possibility to be one huge monolithic machine that is out to conquer the universe. We need one strong government in Europe, one giant all powerful federal government that dictates and forces all the huge programs that must be forced upon all these puny particular cultures. Diversity is the enemy of progress.

And Europe must kill all of its own culture completely and adhere completely and totally to the American model and culture. Europe must just become a giant extension of America, enough with all of their diversity and particular culture. They must follow the only generalized and global culture that is needed and necessary: the culture of the USA.
By the way, notice that when one speaks English anyplace else in the world outside of the UK, the english is always a standard American type of NEUTRAL English that is easy to understand, clear and with no particular oddball pronounciations as they have in the UK. The UK must learn how to speak the real standard globalized English and get rid of all their queer accents.

So there, I said it, I communicated, see.

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From:

kunstler.com/blog/2011/03/an-odd-rumination.html

Right Wing Thug says:

“Diversity is what makes life interesting and bearable.
Dreams and hope in a better future, a future that we can “make” is what makes progress.
Build a state where people are a part of a whole machine, make them numbers, and you will kill humanity.
They already tried the experiment, it didn´t work.
How could?
Life is not only having a place to sleep and something to eat.
Life is doing things you like, the way you want.
Life is playing your special role in this world.
Life is being, that special unique being everybody of us think he is.”

I answer:

You are wrong: end of story. We need huge real ambitious dreams like trillions of gigantic massive steel - iron Zepellins inside the Sun and Jupiter, and well, you read my other posts and you can make up some even more ambitious ideas. This idea of individual dreams is a ripoff this capitalistic - free enterprise economic system deals to almost everyone except those very very few that actually implement their dream. And then most of those dreams are just status relationships, getting ahead of the jone’s etc. We need COLLECTIVE DREAMS.

Are you young and pretty or are you like Alexandra, an old piece of crap ? I would like to ease my mind, but can’t find a way…

Anyways, not to worry, I am an Anonymous Coward and Shrinking Violet, but that’s OK, I accept what I am…

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From :

kunstler.com/blog/2011/03/an-odd-rumination.html

Right Wing Thug says the sentences in quotes:

I answer:

OK. On the serious side:

“People are selfish, what they do, they do for themselves.”

What they do, they do for some kind of imaginary goal anyways, all goals are always imaginary, denotations, something that is never really immediate. They are always some forms of abstractions: “bigger” car, “bigger” house because more comfortable, but mostly because of the status - social meaning given to these mostly symbols.

“If you kill individualism and meritocracy you will have a society in which nobody has any goal.”

As far as I can see, in most of the developed world, individualism and meritocracy are an abstraction, can be really applied in very few endeavors, most jobs have been standardized, automated, and most individualism and meritocracy is reduced to power struggles and personality challenges, who can convince more people, who is a better salesman, who sells their activity better, who can give a better “presentation” of their activity, who is more popular and has more personality, etc. And in a world where work is becoming obsolete, not needed, automated away, where a Technological Economy is eliminating all real productive work, very little is left for someone to show “what they are worth”: mostly what is left is fluff…

“If you are paid the same doing nothing or doing a lot, you just do nothing.”

Most jobs today do nothing from the outset, work is not needed, most jobs can be described as “much ado about nothing”, a lot of running in circles, a lot of fake activity, since the Technological Economy has and will increasingly eliminate most real productive labor.

“People do not work for collective ideals, they work for their own well being, they work to have a better life for themselves and for their families.”

All ideals are abstractions and therefore always denotations, and, in a way collective: only the group is much smaller, only their family. So this can easily be changed and people can switch the denotation of their family to the denotation of their nation or humanity or Progress, or MIND OVER MATTER. You simply have to reprogram people’s neural network.

“It is not that it couldn’t work the way you say, it just doesn’t.”

It doesn’t because the powers that be have brainwashed everyone that this can never work, but it works real well when there are wars, look at what huge collective action the Germans put forth during WWII, and imagine if they could apply that to rockets to Mars and similar. Even the US space program to the moon was a collective action that worked, and even the USA Military is a huge collective action. So it can work if it is desired, if there is a precise intentionality for it to work.

I just joke around about pretty, but the british lady started it … anyways I still would like to ease my mind…

“I am NOT young, if I was, I wouldn’t be here, I would have better things to do.”

No you wouldn’t because we only process information at all ages, there is no essential difference with what one does, it is all in the imagination.

“And I do not believe any woman can be an old piece of crap, you can still be beautiful and attractive, even if you are not young any more.”

The present dominating economic system with its culture of individualism and meritocracy and success considers everyone from age 0 to 100 years old an old piece of crap unless you become bill gates.

With a collective goal, we all become valuable and defined.

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From :

kunstler.com/blog/2011/03/an-odd-rumination.html

Right Wing Thug says :

“As much as I like discussions, I understand this is a never ending…
The nice part of any kind of discussion is that at the end, everybody is still of the same opinion, a lot of words is said or written for nothing, some time has passed and nothing has changed.
As for the goal of reaching the moon, I even begin to have my doubts…”

I answer:

So then it is not a serialized labor activity where the efforts of each individual adds up to more and more. In fact, what we have today, is an economic - social system that must exert an extreme effort to repress and delimit as much serialized labor activity as possible, to create atomized labor processes, to create a system where all efforts effectively lead to nothing and nowhere, all efforts in different directions, a lot of efforts in contrasting opposing directions (office politics, wars, conflicts of all kinds, very slow cumbersome democratic processes, complex laws leading into a never ending array of disputes and fights, etc.).

The reason for this, is because with the present day knowledge and technology and the absolutely gigantic EXCESS PRODUCTIVE CAPACITY present in all productive segments and endeavors, we could easily, in a jiffy, give all of the basics, many many times over to 10 billion people with absolutely no effort at all. A simple home, running water, basic health care, food, a basic salary, electricity so you can watch TV 24 hours a day (another way to diffuse any possible serial labor process) is mostly all you need.

I like to bring the example of the Z80 microprocessor of the 70s, that was designed and built with only 10 man years by 2 scientists faggin and shima and a few draftsmen. That is a serialized process, all effort adds up, and that shows what huge productivity is possible with such tiny resources. Now, imagine what could be produced if all the office work of millions of workers worldwide were serialized, were constructive, added up. Science and Technology are endeavors that are somewhat serialized as in the knowledge adds up, but the political, contrasting will powers that must apply it is atomizing, is destructive. Consider all the idle labor worldwide, millions of people 30 years old and younger that have nothing to do but break up countries like Libya.

Software for example is not a serialized labor process, it is atomizing, destructive, a lot of effort contrasting other effort, in a never ending power struggle game of who sets the standards, who dominates the markets, whose operating system will dominate, android or apple, etc. A never ending array of new languages and systems to do the same old things that have been being done for 50 years. Imagine if all the software in the last 50 years were written in a clear PASCAL syntax, only one language and all the possible libraries of functions ever needed, it could easily be done, you would have 99 % of all software problems licked and you could go on to other activities, like going to Mars, creating ever more powerful supercomputers, etc.

So this blog, forums and all other information content on the internet is another way to create a huge amount of activity that does not add up, that is not serializing, that is not a serialized labor process. But we have so much excess capacity that we can write things forever, and in fact I predict that, if anything, information will be worth exactly zero in the future, we now have all possible information virtually for free from the internet, and it keeps on growing.

The real powers at work: Technological Economy eliminating the need for almost all real productive labor, Information saturation making all forms of information worth zero.

We need to serialize millions of man hours into huge - ambitious projects, Rockets to Mars, trillions of Skyscrapers, you name, if you can imagine it, no matter how far out and insane, it must be done, and will be done. AMEN.