If chaotic energies were “inert” they would be non-existent…and would have no effect.
Chaos IS part of nature…..part of pagan cosmogony.
Out of chaotic randomness order emerges…..experienced as a beginning out of no-thing…because ti is - literally a state of no-things.
Chaos = state of unpredictable possibilities.
Order = restriction of possibilities….Order, patterns are predictable……a limit to the possible.
Imagine the material of the ship of Theseus could be anything… and the ship is eternally conceived … and the anything is co-eternal with the One who conceives… When they begin to build, and the material begins to take shape (with our participation…also eternally conceived), the conception began whole. Not empty… like a barren womb.
There was never chaos. Only possibility. Show me … one thing in this universe that is not configured. Did an intelligent being deconfigure it? Is it really absolutely without configuration?
Why should I believe in your chaos?
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there goes oblivion
The opposite, sweetie….the interpretations CANNOT be anything, because if the interpretations are wrong, or to the degree that it is so, will determine the fate of the actor.
Natural selection…..organisms naturally select the best approximations….the most useful, the most accurate, the most precise…and these become Kant’s a priori concepts. and methods of perceiving
Yuor belief is not required, dear.
Chaotic energies are not perceptible, sweetie, precisely BECAUSE they lack a pattern an ordering mind can interpret as a thing, as a scent, a texture, a sound etc.
Without chaos, not complexity, but lack of order…order is meaningless…. Relative to what is it ordered?
Without chaos free-will is entirely and completely unnecessary, as it is in your Abrahamic delusional worldview. If god, as you understand the word, is omniscient then how is man free?
Without chaos, sweetie, life emerging out of order is improbable….as is the emergence of consciousness.It is, precisely BECAUSE, of the randomness chaos represents, that the mutations manifesting life and consciousness arise
More like “Relative to what is disorder disordered?”. Disorder is very easy to spot. Your chaos is a who’lotta nada.
Exactly, dear…chaos is no-thing……literally. A state within which a conscious ordering mind cannot perceive a pattern to convert, to translate, into a thing.
That’s why it is so terrifying to people like you.
It is what can never be predicted….the unforeseeable. You need something to make you feel safe….in control, even i it means grovelling beneath an imaginary authority.
As the easterners say “nothingness is not nothing”.
Yin/Yang, duffus….in order there is chaos…and in chaos there is order.
No absolute states.
Neither order nor chaos can be completed, because there’s always a flaw, the opposite.
This is why existence is eternal…never-ending, requiring no creator, sweetie.
No beginning and no end. There is nothing besides existence…chaotic/ordered, patterned/non-patterned…..ENERGY….
This immediately makes your Abrahamic god impossible.
We didn’t start with nihil. You can’t launch from nihil. Disorder is real, but passing. Order is the original, and constant. Shatyr.
Don’t forget the whole within which the complementaries do not cancel.
There is no “launch” dear…..there’s only a continuous cycle.
Chaos is a state, a phase in the continuum, that gives way to ordering…..we are in this phase of existence….and this phase will give way to increasing levels of chaos…randomness, and the cycle repeats.
For an ordering organism order is divine…preferable…..so for you it is absolute, or the “original”
Sweetie….in a circle what point is the “beginning’?
The big bang, sweetie, is the ongoing point in space/time where order reached the closest to completion….it’s a pinch-point, so to speak….a traditional point in the cycle.
The opposite pole of this is an approach to near-absolute chaos…which is the second transitional event…..that restarts, recycles, the process.
So, we experience this approach, this movement TOWARDS absolute chaos as linear time…
This approach makes it inevitable that a new near-absolute singularity will emerge….a new Big Bang…..we call this a universe.
Cycles, dear…cosmos cycles….no beginning, no end….no “;lunching point”…no God.
Only continuity…a continuum….like the self, the I…..a continuum connected with memories.
Genetic and experiential memories.
There is an order containing possibility that gives way to choice. The nature of this order is love that gives way to choice. Even if the choice collapses in on itself, the order remains.
The cycle of cycles starts whole. We are in it — it is not behind us.
every… but you can pick a point to begin the sequence (information premixed between the points)…inclusive of participation at each point
Don’t listen to Silenus…he hasn’t the first clue what he is talking about …there was never a single big bang and there never will be a single big crunch.
All matter is entering and exiting the cosmos from multiple points at the centre of the galaxies.
Still this:
Exactly….so no beginning….no end….no launch….a CONTINUUM..
No creator.
“and there never will be a single big crunch”
This is what i have to tell myself every time i open a new bag of Lays kettle cooked potato chips. It’s all I can do to not eat half the bag when i open it.
There is a beginning to the pattern covered by the Borde Guth Vilenkin theorem, though. The WHOLE is co-eternal, so it is not “ex nihilo” — and there was never chaos.
Weirdo. Like… the most extreme sort of weirdo there ever was, just saying.
“the Borde Guth Vilenkin theorum”
Mr. Vilenkin worked that theorem out because he was borde.
Colleague: “are you Borde?”
Borde: “Well, i mean, this place is not exactly a Las Vegas casino, but i wouldn’t say I’m bored.”
There is no “ex nihilo” because the nihilo is by definition nil…
There is no non-existence, by definition…there is always Existence.
The reason minds NEED a beginning, besides the psychological, is because of how the brain conceptualizes patterns, reducing them to things, wholes, complete singularities.
A painting of a tree, sweetie, is not the tree……the panting is a representation of a dynamic phenomenon….the painting is a static representation with borders….a snapshot of reality.
This is necessary for the brain to process data…
Confusing the representation of the real with the real, is what confuses minds like yours.
But if you think about it the picture of the tree and the tree itself are all active, dynamic, changing….
The moment you create a photo it begins to deteriorate. Like memories…snapshots of space/time.
Nothing you said negates a beginning of the pattern we exist in, or that the whole — though beings subject to time are not aware of all of it at once — isn’t.
ahem you missed a spot
For any event to be an event it must necessarily be a predicate. Creation of existence itself is predicated on chaos. chaos represents undifferentiated potential—a raw field of possibilities from which structure and identity emerge. Order is not the default state but a carving-out from the formless.
There is no possibility in formlessness/chaos—there was never nothing. (You can only have a sense of formlessness in material —including spiritual material/substance— that has not taken the shape you have in mind for it.)
The whole (necessary being) is a co-creative subsuming of possibility (that which is merely past/future to us unless it is ALSO present to us) and actuality (the co-creative choices experienced presently). All are One.