existence of evil

[size=200]Can something good create something evil?[/size]

Can you explicate your reflection?

Hello Punynumb

First you’ll have to tell me how you define good and evil. You couldn’t, for example, say God, since I don’t know how you subjectively understand God. The question for me is if you are differentiating between a subjective appreciation of good and evil or a possible “objective” differentiation between good and evil. In other words, do good and evil exist as cosmic realities independent of man’s existence on earth?

That’s another question and completely different from our subjective appreciation of good and evil. I don’t know if you’re referring to your subjective understanding or in the more general and possible objective meaning making it difficult to reply.

Punynumb, I’m going to assume, to Nick_A’s point, that you’re asking the question meaning can something objectively good create something evil. And I would say no. But, the existence of something objectively good would necessitate, it seems to me, the existence of something evil. That is to say that once something is brought into existence (good, for example) then the opposite of that something is brought into existence as well, if only theoretically. If good exists then evil, or at least the potential for evil, must also exist. Cold exists because of the existence of heat. Darkness exists because of the existence of light. A is not non-A.

The real question, beyond all metaphysical doubts on the objectivity of goodness and evil, is: can someone who is supposed to be good TOWARD us let us suffer?

pain is always in the cure…

-Imp

Sâmkhya

You must not be married. :slight_smile:

I don’t think that something good could create something evil because genes play a very big role in our make-up, but something good that is created could become evil because of environment, change, adverse circumstances, spoiling, absence of a role-model, etcetera.

That would depend on the meaning of good and evil, which seem to be subjective judgements.

I think good and evil when compared, are taken as extremes and so they are not subjective anymore but kind of absolutes. That is why everyone understands what is really good and what is really evil, they don’t need another definition.

Absolutes? For anything to be absolute, there must first be an absolute standard to measure to. Aside from wildly claiming some deity IS or created the absolute standard, why would you assume one exists?

Notions of good and evil are nothing but conditioning. Both hundreds of thousands of years of biological evolution (nature) And sociopsychological conditioning (nurture) play into it, but in the end it is all perception and biology.

Or do you perhaps have evidence (inductive or even logically sound deductive, either or) of an absolute arbtrator of good and evil?

Absolutes have no standard, they stand by themselves and not on some platform pre-defined. You don’t know the definition of absolute.

Maybe if you are taling mathmatics. 3 will absolutely always divide into 9.

But we are not talking mathmatics, we are talking morality, and I was using the word absolute in the context of morality.

So now that that is cleared up, show me your freestanding absolute morality, and explain to me how it created itself.

I just know that where morality is concerned we do have a clear idea of what is really good and what is really evil. So that way they’re like absolutes. I don’t want to discuss this any further.

Oh…it’s true because you say so, huh?

When you describe your posts as ‘brilliant’, which ones exactly are you talking about?
:astonished:

It’s no use explaining to you because you need a brain to figure what I’m saying!