Existential individualism_III; x = x

Existential individualism_III; that which makes ‘x’ is in origins itself also an ‘x’.

when one dies the ‘force’ which pushes the mind into singular perspective, is relinquished. In worldly terms, causality manifests the form with respect to its original affecting aspect [informations prior to there existing informations]. You begin with ‘x’ – here the given personhood/individual, then the means [the cosmic blender = inverse thereof [creation/manifestation] ‘y’ then the result ‘z’.

‘z’ tries to become ‘x’, but information conflates and the means becomes the obstacle. Equally the means ‘y’ is a long chain of x,y,z,'s, so it is trying to achieve ‘x’ continuously. Naturally there will manifest a duality whereby the set [here the given individual] is attempting to become the set of X, but Y knows no ‘x’ because it is Y.

I don’t think X is a kind of background information as the BI theory is concerned with existent info background in the universe. Clearly there is a kind of information which is the universal medium e.g. between physical info and the category of info in how we think, or computer code and what have you.

Simply put, all things are talking to each other and that will manifest a universal medium. Then the language of that ~ after we have put it through the cosmic blender [consider the impossible variety in QM and relativity etc], is not physical information.

Metaphysics of afterlife and rebirth

we began by talking about the ‘force’ denoting singular perspective and now we will imagine what that is in real terms; firstly I am not going to add in any intermediaries [Gods and what have you]. As I see it, z is trying to become x, the potential and original ‘information’ [the universal kind, and not physical] = ‘x’ for the given ‘z’. the cosmic blender contains everything, and so it contains the thing which becomes the thing [z] ~ the unmanifest and the manifest variant.

There is also Y as the cosmic means to everything happening. Literally that universal ‘information’ becomes existent information.
Y occurs and not x-to-x in a 1:1 fashion, because information conflates - because it IS information, ergo will inform. Whereas universal information has already done its informing in originally manifesting an existent info. So it moves in steps; you get the UI [uni-info] which becomes info, which then also informs but can only do that within its own circle ~ to other informations.

What does it all mean? That we [‘x’] make ourselves existent, and equally that Y is also doing that as it is the means [could be at root God and then the Tao as divinity finds its way].

  • doesn’t mean we are all going to arrive at or find our x in the z though. So I believe in compassion where e.g. ones causality may be in the way, as opposed to there necessarily being a weakness of individual spirit. We don’t get to pick the means and cannot always forge our own paths. We are all however equal individuals, we have all become by the force of our own existence and equally by the passive will of the gods/God. Passive because Y in X [divinity and individuality] knows all x’s, and that all info that can become manifest will do so.

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Or maybe not of course.

can you have something without a potential for it? why does everything have everything [including you] in it? [cosmic blender result etc].

Your proposing Pavel Florensky’s Entelechy, he phrased his ideas better than you, I would recommend adopting his terminology (or transliterations at least) and his allegories as a basis to move further in explaining it all to others, he did a better job of it, Stalin even had him shot for it (the archetypal forum moderator he was)

Pavel Florensky On Space And Time" by Michael Chase (PDF)

academia.edu/10057423/Pavel_ … e_and_Time

recommend adding this after that to your reading list:

“Chrysipus’ Theory of Causes” by Susanne Bobzien (PDF)

academia.edu/271585/Chrysipp … _of_Causes

Gives you a background with regard to the ideas he uses.

I can’t talk about these ideas due to Only Humean’s boycott of all philosophical discussions in this section of the site, so best I can do is offer the links. Sorry, should of posted this in a intellectually free section of the site.

If you really want a challenging task, figure out how it relates to Gaunilo’s Evermore Perfect Island (link)

philosophyofreligion.info/th … ct-island/

Hint:

viewtopic.php?f=4&t=189971

Your on a collusion course with the forum cartesians, if any are left.

I was just trying to connect the dots between the argument that you propose above and the world that we live in from day to day.

For example, is it possible to connect the dots between the gist your argument here and the gist of Trump’s argument at the RNC last night?

Or we can wait a week and connect them to Clinton’s argument.

Just something [anything] that might allow me to make a more substantive distinction between existential individualism as you understand it and existential individualism as I understand it.

Metaphysics meets Marx say. Or Richard Rorty.

Fair enough, it is similar to the stoic theory. It just doesn’t take an age to say anything, and is linked to all the other stuff. The attempt is to build a picture and one which is based in reality and not in belief.

Naturally any ‘skeleton philosophy’ which has creation, will have cause and effect. I didn’t think it was reinventing the wheel, just trying to put flesh on the bones.

The ancients btw didn’t know we lived in a universe! When they envision the unmanifest becoming manifest they thought that eels magically became pregnant ~ that kind of thing lol. My vision of a world which draws itself, and isn’t made up in our minds, is somewhat more unique. If you can find links of the ancients speaking about the inability to draw all things from all perspectives [using technology as backup], like here
viewtopic.php?f=1&t=190764
then i’ll concede I got nothing to add.

philosophyofreligion.info/th … ct-island/

this theory relies upon belief and doesn’t even require a basis apart from saying ‘God does exist’.

You need to read that Chryssipus link again fast, before you make a mistake like Sartre did and stumble over yourself again… especially how they “separate” belief from reality. Resembles more Jain perspectivism.

You can construct both a world view which is personal and impersonal, not possible for the one to completely annihilate the other. We’ve known this both in the east and the west for centuries, it us why the Greeks hate “Aristotle” so damn much (aka Aquinas) as they focus more on direct experience of God through the Theoria-Theosis Axis, and not the balance of the modes of reasoning. That Russian Philosopher (not the Stoics) was the one who put it together, albiet in far too classical of a worldview (which is odd being he was one of the top Soviet Electrical Engineers and go to Scientists).

He took it in the same direction as you, yet farther.

A lot of phenomeology took from these two competing schools early on, and existentialist likewise from phenomenology, but the athiestic formulation of being able to do it all from a purely athiestic perspective is a impossibility. When you go into one mode of visual determinism, the other must support it… but it will also always contradict it. They are mutual dependent, but not fully interchangeable. Relies on many of the same feedback loops, but not all. You push it too far, it was snap back on you.

This seems like nothing, until you consider ideas like 3-D drawling evolved directly out of this debate, Heron of Byzantium took his conceptions straight out of the Byzantine debate. I don’t think it is a coincidence he is named after Heron of Byzantium, who explored the mechanical representation behind pagan expositions in temples. HERON of Byzantium made it possible to view the concrete dimensions of mechanical thinking… enough so objects could be reliably built to scale. Floresnky takes it a lot farther, introducing new modes of thinking to visual art, such as the incorporation of imaginary numbers to perspectivism. If we are ever to achieve a visual algerbra and calculus, it is through this path. The abstract expressionism of the twentieth century never quite could do it, because Existentialism cut off it’s right arm. You need that cognitive lateralism, the back and firth before modes. If Existentialism is the Monolith man can’t see beyond, Pavel represents the beginning of that Eclipse of the Monolith. It is through that approach western civilization.will ultimately have to step forward to in approach to finally overcome much of the hinderences and incomplete assumptions it produced during the late 19th and early 20th century. Reason we aren’t advancing anymore philosophically is due to the mutual stagnation of the various philosophical schools from asserting their various schisms on one another. I speak not just of the old feuds of Orthodoxy and Catholicism here, but of our various philosophical schools in general… we’ve produced a bunch of dead, pointless systems bickering to no end.

Heron of Byzantium’s Two Books from Dumbarton Oaks (Harvard) (PDF, if I recall the commentary is a bit repetitive, if you feel you read it already, you have, it duplicates itself by accident):

google.com/url?sa=t&source= … DPuGW1sQ4g

That’s all well and good, but how can they possibly be even thinking about this feature of [an infinite] universe? [when they don’t know what universe is]. they did have some concept of infinity of course.

I guess I haven’t succeeded in establishing a basis which hasn’t already been said, albeit in archaic terms.

Guess i’ll give this some more thought.