exploring the "fractured and fragmented" self

Moving on to the “fractured and fragmented” self …

Do you have a reason for using this worn our phrase.
It always seems so meaningless.

Indeed.

How about this…

Given a moral or political context – where in my view “I” is far more likely to be fractured and fragmented – how would you encompass your own sense of self as more or less drawn and quartered when confronted with another who challenges your value judgments?

I can assure you that in such a discussion I am able to be far more detailed as to what I mean by it.

It’s an inside joke between me and nature. But since nature compels me to use it, I’m not privy as to why.

Trust me: better to just assume we live in a real deal free will world. Even though, given that, I do make a fool out of you time and again.

Or, rather, that arrogant and caustic Stooge character Shemp. Which, as I noted elsewhere, I’d be curious to explore with you. Why do you feel the need to be so fucking arrogant and caustic with some?

Now, sure, put that crap aside and we may well sustain some invigorating and challenging and substantive exchanges.

Right, Karpel Tunnel? :sunglasses:

K: in fact, most of you do blend in because of your refusal to work out your beliefs,
because the beliefs you hold are not examined or understood…it is not enough to say,
for example, “BLM is a Marxist organization” you have to work out what that means, give it some
context, and then work out what it is you actually do hold to be true…
If BLM, for example is wrong, then what is right and why?

you say you are a “social democrat”… great, give us some context as to what that
actually means, say in regards to BLM… or you can use another example if you wish…

why are your beliefs so “superior” to my beliefs?
Kropotkin

never

don’t know that person

Himt: he is #2 stooge replaced a group of comics who were known to have said " who is on second or third."

Curly died age 48 years old and Shemp replaced him.

The game of numbers placed both on second base because of that. Prior to that, the configuration was different

However, ‘shemp’ derives various meanings, but can be placed into the wider context of someone disliked.

No idea.
I thought watt what on second and who was on third.

Who’s on first, What’s on second, Idontknow’s on third.

Right, like Mr. Reasonable didn’t know who Tyler Durden is. :laughing:

Anyway, given the real deal free world, your call. Drop the Stooge persona and perhaps we can actually exchange some interesting posts.

Note to nature:

I can actually understand this. What gives? :sunglasses:

I think you are being a bit parochial.
I assume Mr Reasonable is a poster here on the FOrum. But who the fuck Is Tyler Durden?

I am who I say I am.
Fucking Americans should take the trouble to get their heads out of their arses once in a while!

He doesn’t sound very fractured and fragmented at all. He seems very clear and single minded.

Also, Who’s on third.

Actually, he’s one of the most collected, most imbued with certainty motherfuckers I ever read.

There are no two facets to this man.

Picture of unity even. Flawless egoic coherence.

Maybe this whole fragmented fractured thing is an exercise in keeping the fragmentation away, maintaining the pristine unity of his self.

Difficult choices are other people’s problem. For him, it’s a unitary monolith of self. Not by pulling coherence in, but by pushing fragmentation out does he maintain the integrity of his unified self-image.

For actual difficult or political choices, there is always emotion. Thought is for the fragmented. And this is achieved by expelling any thought he may have in the form of a question. Doubt, of course, can only come in when an answer is attempted to a question, so that part is for others. And by the pressure of their answers, but also the absence and, indeed, rejection of the very principle of answering in himself, the integrity of his Freudian ego is maintained. If you think, you doubt. If you doubt, you lose. He does not think. He does not doubt.

And he covers any embarrassments by mechanical output of quotations and music.

He is,

The Fragmentonator

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I am just joking, it’s all in good humor.

He is not a pure vacuum of thought, he obviously does have his very clear leftist-socialist view that he knows is philosophically indefensible, so he just tries to hide it.

It’s all in good fun.

meno says :

“Himt: he is #2 stooge replaced a group of comics who were known to have said " who is on second or third.”

Curly died age 48 years old and Shemp replaced him.

The game of numbers placed both on second base because of that. Prior to that, the configuration was different

However, ‘shemp’ derives various meanings, but can be placed into the wider context of someone disliked.

Iambigious says

Note to nature:

"I can actually understand this. What gives? "

me no says:

What gives is that the the positional significance of the fissures and fractures coded in the bionominal duplicity-(amb- iguity) is posts gibed within a transcendental certainty of the implicated fracture.

The fractures are derived from the implicated post Descartes’s era of uncertainty.

You and all have to live in the shadow of this implicated angst.

meno says :

“Himt: he is #2 stooge replaced a group of comics who were known to have said " who is on second or third.”

Curly died age 48 years old and Shemp replaced him.

The game of numbers placed both on second base because of that. Prior to that, the configuration was different

However, ‘shemp’ derives various meanings, but can be placed into the wider context of someone disliked.

Iambigious says

Note to nature:

"I can actually understand this. What gives? "

me no says:

What gives is that the the positional significance of the fissures and fractures coded in the bionominal duplicity-(amb- iguity) is postscribed within a transcendental certainty of the implicated fracture.

The fractures are derived from the implicated post Descartes’s era of uncertainty.

You and all have to live in the shadow of this implicated angst.