We all hear about fate, destiny gods will etc etc, but does it exist do we follow one preset path or do we blunder through life with no greater purpose attached to us?
With a greater number of athiests iin todays society belief in destiny and fate is fading more than ever. I do not belive in religion and the god as how the majority see it but i do belive in fate. I like to think of maself as a logical clear thinking man but i cannot help but feel if something i am doing is what im ment to be doing, and hoping that i am ment to do great things.
People use the arguement that they know fate does not exist as they choose their own actions. Those people do not understand what fate and desinty means. Its not a set of instructions u get each morning to follow. If it does exist then everything we do is ment to be done and we are given the dilusion we choose what we do. You can not disprove the concept of destiny nither can you prove it
However why must it exist as control over everything we do, or not exist at all. Why can we not be upon a set path with multple endings, choices in where our life leads. Not much choice but choice none theless to be good, evil etc etc
The last vestige of my churched up past that I finally gave up years after my real salvation, was fate and prophesy. I realized that it doesn’t exist for the same reasons that the supernatural doesn’t exist (in this universe)–free will. There is a strong emotional attachment to fate and destiny, but it’s based entirely on ego.
On the upside, what you do isn’t foreordained, it happens through your own effort and guidance, so isn’t that much better for your ego anyway?
Let me ask you, what exactly is fate? Is fate alive? It sure seems to be since it knows everything about our future. But it also enforces it. So do you think this force is observable? Would fate let us see our own fate and let us alter it?
I believe in fate, and for ‘fate’ read ‘logical determinism’.
That’s why I never learned to swim (too much effort). For, it is true (now) either that I will die by drowning, or that I will not. If I will, then being able to swim won’t be of any use to me; and if I will not, then being able to swim will be superfluous.
I post below 2 recognised definitions of fate (source Collins dictionary) one i agree with, one i do not.
The ultimate agency that predetermines the course of events.
and
The end of final result.
I do not believe the first definition, use the concept of ‘every action has an equal an opposite reaction’ without initial action 'your choice that you have the freewill to determine, how can the outcome be certain and affect ‘predertimined’ events.
The second i do agree with, the end or final result if this be considered a good definition of fate is absolutely correct, whatever action taken will have a result (back to equal and opposite bla bla) or end.
I’ll try to avoid religion as much as possible, but to start, fate is nothing without religion–>but if we can see fate and alter it as you asked, then fate is vital. I don’t care about fate, forget about believing or not, I could care less if it exists, because for the most part, I don’t think we can change our fate if it does exist, because if we could then fate is just a word and our current actions have nothing to do with future actions. For instance, if I know that I have a drug addiction and quit, and soon I find a great job and greater things come; you can make a simple correlation that because I quit my addiction, I got a good job and a happier life, but that doesn’t mean it was my fate to get a good job and a better life. In fact, if anything, for as long as you live fate will always be there until the day you die, and from that one can assume that your fate is to die, for its the one avoidable thing in life, for now at least.
In religious terms: thou shalt not murder, god is omniscient. Now, if someone’s fate is to be murdered, then someone has to do the murder. The person being killed could be a 12 year old or a 95 year old, and he/she might have lived a pious life or not, but that person’s fate was to be murdered. The person doing the murdering was fated to kill someone and then be executed for the crime.
Though only God (just go with me on this atheists/theists) can know whether someone will go to heaven or hell, we can make an assumption that within the accordance of the 10 Commandments and religious doctrine, that the man who did the murdering will end up in hell, only an assumption. If it was someones fate to kill someone else, was the murderer predestined to hell or did their actions while living effect that outcome<<------which makes no sense when you consider that God knows when you die, how you die, and what your going to do in every moment of your life.
So if you believe in religion, in the traditional Abrahamic sense, then fate and destiny mean nothing as well since God already knows what your going to do in life.
Right??? I drone when I get exited, and to those who encoded all of that, please reply.