Let’s have an interim result.

We have 0% for “monarchy”, 40% for “assitocracy”, 40% for “democracy”, and 20% for “no one”.

Please vote!

The US people are always told that monarchy is no good governing form, are’nt they? There is no vote for monarchy. We have 0% for „monarchy, 33% for „aristocracy“, 33% for „democracy“, and 33% for „no one“

The Ancient Romans were told as well as the US Americans are. In times of the Ancient Romans it had been the aristocratic senators who didn’t want any political competitor, rival; in times of the US Americans it has been the political class (parallel society) for the same reason. This parallel is interesting, isn’t it?

Yes, but if you have too many laws, then the probability of anarchy is also very high. Thus: no law = anarchy, too many laws = tendency of anarchy.

I just changed the percentages above, by voting no one, for political philosophical reasons. As long as empirical utilitarianism is the key indicator of political will, forms of governance will be determined on a trial and error basis. In that sort of political process, no one form can said to be prevalent at any time, there are always competing ideologies, shadow governments, and de jure and de facto representations of what those form really mean.

Nevertheless, there is nearly always something like rule or government. If you answer the question “Which is the best form of government?” with “no one”, then you are an anarchist.

Competing ideologies have not directly but merely indirectly to do with the forms of government. Shadow governments have not directly but merely indirectly to do with the forms of government, because shadow governments are part of other governments or one government. Forms of government are concrete, and if they do not exist, then there is - of course - “no one”, thus anarchy.

Yes. Just like the physical universe, there is no effective difference between having nothing at all and having everything at once; the sum of all frequencies equals zero.

In the USA, it is intentionally arranged that there are too many conflated laws. The purpose of this is to allow a chosen judge to adjudicate in any direction he is persuaded. He is not restricted by the law while plausibly trying to adhere to it. The persuasion is handled through that “shadow government” means, thus giving the superficial impression that there was a “fair trial with an honest judge”. This is one of the obfuscation tactics used to manipulate from behind the scenes.

But as I tried to point out earlier, you have the fourth category representing two very different things;
4) None of the above
4) No government at all

Thus your poll isn’t going to come out quite right.

Similarities and Differences between the Roman Empire and The United States of America

Thank you for that link, James. But not all of that mentioned similarities and differences are true. And the authors of that text refer too much to Rome’s Caesarian (monarchal) system, although they should refer more to Rome’s republican / senatorial (aristocratic) system. Then they could also explain (for example) why the Romans of the republican age were and the US people of the republican age are so much frightened of monarchy. The Romans were frightened of monarchy, so later they got … monarchy; and the US People are frightened of monarchy, so later they will get … (… [size=80]put in the right word[/size] …).

Compare the political body to the physocal body. A hierarchy of drives is the case, health is the case when that hieraechy does justice to all of the drives. We can with some work group drives into organs.

Meritocracy is not a politics as we’ve come to think of it but it is the only sensible way of looking at it. In the end it is not important who is defined as the shaper of government, but simply that government is shaped to some serious idea. Sometimes a democratic set of passions can be carried by a truth about the societal body. Sometimes a monarchic command is required for a period, when democracy is a void vanity to obscure that government is carried by private capital, as in how Putin brought health to Russia. What we see here is that the “tyrant” has a broad base of support among people both within and outside of the state; a sign of reason at work, and government operates with a distinct and verifiable idea. The idea pertains to the values shared troughout the people, rich and poor. An ideocracy govrerned by a consistent appkication of rational debate.

In a dead-set democratic ideaology like France or America, What matters far more than what kind of person gets voted in office is the structure of the legislative and executive and all the various administrative and communicative apparatuses. The way the organs amount to a body. Democracy can be a means to accomplish it if the demos is extraordinarily well educated. What amounts to quality of education is too large a subject to address in this post, and what a sophocracy would be constructed like is a topic that we can expect to become more interesting and tangible to us if we agree that there are some definitive rational principles that amount when applied in increased quality of life. One of the first principles is a clear and definite necessity of each organ.

I have used in this post the term organ to indicate ab aggregate of drives; this can point to either things like industries and other cultural ascertions or to administrative constellations. Both consist of humans, the cells, or cause purpose and nature or “blood” of the state, but all organs are extremely different from one another.

Granted. It would be hard to make such a comparison truly accurate considering all of the circumstances (although I suspect that they could have done better).

…a Presidential Pharaoh.

It seems that FC is having a clear day.

FC can be FC Bayern München (record champion of the Bundesliga, the first division of the German league, and often champion of the Champions league) as well as FC Duckburg (7. Kreisklasse, the fifteenth division of the German league). In that case, “clear day” means “Champions league”, and “cloudy day” means “7. Kreisklasse”. Please calculate the mean value! :wink:

[tab]Eighth division of the German league: “Kreisliga”. :slight_smile:[/tab]
Do we also have 15 leagues of government?

Thus you need a form of governing that isn’t any of those. :sunglasses:

It would be better, if we had one that is not like any of those forms of governing.

So get to it.

Governing forms are implemented by (1) one, (2) few, (3) all (majority of all). Mixed forms are possible because there are several social classes, but, however, at the bottom line there is merely one form for each society possible. It is the upper class that affects the other classes very much more than the other classes affect each other or even the upper class.

Okay, let’s talk about “SAM” again. “SAM” does only work in small societies. So should we reduce the current societies (except those in jungles, deserts, and steppes) to small societies?

One must always take care to include that overlooked final option;
4) None of the Above

SAM represents a fundamental organization that is much like a networked cell in a body. What governs the cells in your body?

The cell is the smallest unity of of a living thing. it is able to fulfill all main functions of an organism. The cromatin in the cell nucleus contains the carrier of the hereditary Information: the DNA. The DNA is a long molecule chain with four different bases (A, C, G, T). The RNA is the “translater”. On the DNA chain each amino acid of the later proteins is coded by three successive bases.

So the “basic law” or “constitution” of “SAM” could be similar to the genetic code.

It is. As I have said several times, the constitution of SAM is like a basic genome. The amendments of each SAM constitution create variations in a social form of a DNA strain. When overpopulated, SAM “cells” divide in a typical DNA/RNA fashion to form two SAM cells with similar but not necessarily identical amendments. Variety forms as cells divide and choose alternate amendments (DNA sequencing).

Larger groups of SAM cells form cell communities with very similar amendments such that most cells can preform the exact same function. Other groups form from a different variation of amendments so as to be able to perform perhaps a substantially different function. In modern terms, those two groups might be a manufacturing group of similar cells and a marketing group of similar cells. Such groupings are found in industrial complexes.

Just as there is no governing cells over the body, there is no governing cells over the SAM aggregate conglomerate. Just as the cells of a body are governed by how they handle their environment, so are SAM cells, groups, and the entire conglomerate.

Reality is the only governor.

Good developments. This goes beyond a choice of pre existing forms. I share A’s perspective on the scale issue.
The main question I have at this time is: what about international politics? Especially the military, and especially the nuclear power. Who governs such global scale “vectors”?