I meant why start a new thread instead of responding to one of the other fifty bazillion on the topic?
Probably because he wanted to share his thoughts without the baggage of the previous threads, and get feedback on them in a fresh place. That’s cool, right? I don’t see a problem with that. Do you?
No. I’m simply curious why.
¿¡um whaddyamean baggage!? ¡that thread ended (well, it was left) in an aura of awesome!
I mean that if i want to have a discussion with someone on determinism, I don’t want -some other persons ideas of determinism- to be hanging over my head. It’s nice to have a clean slate clear of anyone elses confusions. If there’s going to be confusions, they’ll be my own confusions, not someone elses.
Are you the one you’re answering for? If not, why are you answering for them?
Because you’re asking questions that are so obvious anyone can answer them. “Why are you starting a new thread?” Can you not think of a reason to? If you can’t, I’ll help.
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You agree they’re obvious? Thx for the help! ;^)
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They cannot endure losing the scapegoat provided by Abrahamism.
They can do without the paternal figure, since most are anti-paternalism, and anti-auhtoritarian, and anarchists - daddy issues - but they cannot endure the loss of the scapegoat and totalitarianism.
Absolute order is essential to their psyche.
The saviors that absolves them of their sins, their guilds and shame…their responsibilities…this they need with a passion.
How else can they remain “innocent victims”?
They cannot accept their own participation in everything that happened to them…and to others…
They need to feel victims of something, or something else.
This is why they contradict themselves.
All these cowards and hypocrites that deny their own culpability cannot help themselves; they accuse and blame.
They must have their Nazis, or Objectivists, or Fascists, or Capitalists.
They need scapegoats to unload their suffering upon.
They cannot help it, they must contradict themselves, because their CHOICE of definitions, exposes their motives.
The defining trait of life is will.
Only life can choose to move towards more resistance; only life has an objective to focus its movements (will).
These cowardly hypocrites cannot endure this. they need to revert to lifelessness…
They need life to be no different than sand, or stones, or dew drop…
Underlying it all is a death wish - nihilists.
But they want to live, remain conscious, of their impotence…becaue above all else they fear death.
They fear Kronos - time - who consumes his children - makes them suffer - temporal; attrition - before he swallows them…
Time that makes life possible is also what makes life suffer and die.
Flux.
Touché… to you. 🫵🏼
The mind games are effective.
They can declare that any choice made was determined and inevitable.
No matter what is willed, they will claim it, after the fact, as being determined.
It could not have been any other way…once it is in the past.
Psychological tricks… and then they claim free-will is a trick, an illusion.
Liars use the accusation of lying as a way of concealing their own.
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…but will they repent, before their God?
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Neither heaven nor hell, need a gatekeeper… coz you either are or aren’t, getting in.
They don’t need god, in their system.
This is why they progressed to it.
Paradise has been projected into a forever imminent Utopian future.
The shame they suffered under the Abrahamic superstitions, has become shamelessness - they can do no wrong because they can never break god’s rules. Everything they do is in accordance with cosmic laws…god’s laws.
Compartmentalization has been used by many to dismiss free-will.
Because the self is not a singular unity, but a multiplicity of processes, mostly subconscious, the argument states, nobody can be blamed for anything.
Nobody is responsible for anything they do.
And yet, responsibility is finding causes.
And one cause is an individual’s will, and its judgements and choices.
If a man sets fire to a house, while barbequing a steak, his intentions are irrelevant. His willful actions multiplied the probability of creating a fire that burned down a house.
The multiplicity of consciousness and subconscious processes that went into this choice is irrelevant.
His will focuses all these processes into the actions that resulted in a house burnnig down.
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Usurping your gods laws on a technicality is doing wrong, there’s no two ways about it… no dichotomy, no allowances, no excuses.
But, in their psychosis, anything and everything they do IS part of what has been determined… They’ve replaced god’s will, with determination - cosmic order.
They can do no wrong… so they feel they’ve overcome Christianity that weaponized shame and guilt to control the masses.
In Judaism, they can do no wrong because everything they do - including ethnic cleansing - is god’s will. They are simply the instruments of his will.
Same for the Muslims.
The secular variants of this disease, use determination in the same way.
This is what that other ILP “cun.” refers to as “fractured and fragmented”… Compartmentalized.
No mental cohesion.
Zero intellectual integrity.
One set of standards in one; an entirely different, often contrary, set of standards in the other, or others.
A honeycombed subconsciousness, which gives the impression, to consciousness (ego) that the sources are outside itself.
‘Bicameral Mind’ Jaynes called it.
Compartmentalization that does not absolve the individual from his responsibility.
Genes/Memes
I’ve tried to explain my own positions on how the mind/body dichotomy persists.
A man can adopt the ideals of his culture whilst also being compelled by impulses that evolved before his culture ever came into existence.
A man can believe one thing and act in contradiction to what he believes… using determinism or god, or a scapegoat, to explain himself… and to absolve himself of responsibility.
Yes, and you too.
It’s essentially this. I want to drive my own car, not ride as passenger in somebody else’s.
In my thread, I can direct the conversation, or hypothetically am the one responsible for its progression and quality.