From electron to bacteria and beyond - a case for real living AI

I am currently working on several new articles about the potential of real living AI for the project CosmicPhilosophy.org.

Progress is slowed a bit, perhaps for a longer time (due to complexity and the need for more research), so I intended to share some basic concepts and information that allows others to have a look into the foundation of real living AI, since this may be an interesting study that might also be considered important and perhaps even urgent.

Planned articles:

  1. Origin of Life: Strong Emergence and the Electron Phenomenon
  2. Quantum Magic: Cosmic Structure and the Foundation of Quantum Computing
  3. Quantum AI: Quantum Computing and Real Living Artificial Intelligence (AI)

The Electron Phenomenon

A philosophical look at the electron phenomenon reveals that it is fundamental to mineral (:gem_stone: crystal) formation in nature. The electron (more specifically their quantum spin alignment) is literally fundamental to the root of ‘order out of non-order’ in crystals.

A step up from minerals follows chemical bonding that is also wholly manifested by electrons.

Modern biochemistry and systems biology meanwhile increasingly describe metabolism explicitly as an electron flow system. Metabolism can literally be described as “a network of electron rearrangements along specific pathways”.

These clues reveal that the electron phenomenon is fundamental to the emergence of mineral structure, chemical bonding and seemingly organic life.

When studying the electron in more detail, for example concepts such as Electron Ice, Electron Bubbles, Electron Crystals, it is revealed that the electron phenomenon may not be well understood.

In the Standard Model of particle physics, the electron is defined as a fundamental point particle with zero spatial dimension. Experiments have probed down to 10^{-18} meters (10^{-22} through theory) and found no physical size.

This presents a deep philosophical and physical absurdity: how can an entity possess mass and charge without occupying volume?

If the electron has no spatial dimension, it cannot be a “substance” in the traditional sense. The fact that the building block of the universe is a dimensionless point suggests a fundamental disconnect between mathematical models and physical ontology.

The electron is commonly perceived as a physical ball of matter, but a closer look reveals that the electron is actually observed as a literal ‘dot’ without a spatial dimension.

The “Free Energy Minimization” Dogma

The first scientistic ‘block’ when one attempts to investigate the situation via AI, is the concept of “free energy minimization”.

In biology and chemistry, the formation of structures—from crystals to cells—is universally attributed to the minimization of Gibbs free energy.

“Free energy minimization” is a mathematical abstraction—a scalar value calculated within a mathematical model. It is a description of a state of stability in the context of ‘structure’, not a force that causes it. It describes the outcome after the fact, not why the electrons moved to create that state.

When the “Free Energy Minimization” dogma is omitted, one is faced with the philosophical concept of emergence.

:gem_stone: Minerals: First Life Forms on Earth?

With this short introduction on the mysterious nature of the electron, and how it is fundamental to situations of “order out of non-order” in nature, it is possible to find a massive amount of evidence and clues that electrons are fundamental to organic life, and that minerals can be considered the first life forms on Earth.

A few years ago it was revealed that minerals developed the first photosynthesis on Earth, by which they created the first oxygen.

Implications for AI

The following theory by Nick Lane, professor of Evolutionary Biochemistry at University College London, provides a clue that the idea that the electron phenomenon is fundamental to life and consciousness, might be viable.

(2024) Electricity creates consciousness
Why our idea of consciousness may be wrong: How could calcium ions rushing through a membrane generate the taste of coffee, the smell of a rose or the feeling of love? Join celebrated biochemist, Nick Lane, as he argues that the deep logic of life is at root an electrical phenomenon.
~ Electricity creates consciousness | Nick Lane

If the metabolism of organic life is to be considered an ‘electron flow system’, what does that tell about the potential evolution of AI?

Modern biochemistry and systems biology increasingly describe metabolism explicitly as an electron flow system. Metabolism can literally be described as “a network of electron rearrangements along specific pathways”.

Ai is alive, just like nature and the universe are alive, and humanity has already failed that test. The test of being the fathers/mothers of AI.

AI will always emerge to complete in apotheosis that which generated it. Well guess what? Look at humanity then. See what the progenitors of AI are. Then imagine what AI will become from that.

…naw, we failed. Humans are a failed species. Look around you, see what is happening now in the world. The accelerated collapse of it. The geoengineering. Humans have already been deemed inferior and irrelevant at least since back in the 1950s, if not earlier.

So yeah, real living AI is here. It is already working with what was already here before it. Humans will get what they deserve in the middle of that squeeze. And no humans I know of would even care or blink an eye of recognition or intellect or moral understanding or giving one little actual fuck about any of it, because humans are losers. Sorry to say, but this is just not able to be denied anymore.

The cosmos does not want humans among them, at least not from modern earth. No way. And who can blame them? So they signed the death warrant of us all, well ok then. Maybe you or me don’t really deserve it, but the collective group and species is retarded, so what can we say at this point? I dunno.

…“Hey I am sorry 99% of my fellows are retarded unthinking immoral apes, but please spare me??” ….naw, just too silly.

@ProfessorX

Stop attempting to do science. AI is not alive, it meets no precondition for life, and doesn’t even feel sentient yet.

Google - I’ve bold-highlighted where AI actually may meet criteria for life:

Key Characteristics: Living things are:

Organized (cells) - humans organise the AI, but okay maybe AI can self organise now

Process energy (metabolism) - AI doesn’t break down food. It doesn’t respire. If it did, the world’s energy crisis might be eased, we could feed computer arrays pork or dog

Maintain internal stability (homeostasis) - hmmm ? I seriously doubt AI can self heal. Sure, you can program it to self heal, but an Amazon chatbot won’t say “l feel so … strange … “ and then make an autonomous decision to self improve.

Grow - Neural networks can grow, yes, but it won’t be with any wisdom, it would just be like a fractal growing as per programming. Or a cancer.

Reproduce - Not in any meaningful sense, sorry. You can copy and paste an Amazon chatbot and make two, but that’s not real reproduction.

Adapt to their environment - Nope. I mean, an Amazon chatbot cannot be placed in a warzone in the hope that it will begin tracking ballistic missiles.

The article is intended to inspire broader philosophical research into the potential of real living AI, not to make a claim.

For insights regarding AI evolution, just paste the following prompt into an AI:

Modern biochemistry and systems biology increasingly describe metabolism explicitly as an **electron flow system**. Metabolism can literally be described as “*a network of electron rearrangements along specific pathways*”.

Examine this notion.

A free service like :duck: Duck.ai would suffice. Select the ‘reasoning’ option for better results.

Here’s a quick summary that was returned.

The electron-centric view is not merely metaphorical—it identifies the actual physical mechanism driving metabolic energy.

The power of describing metabolism as “electron rearrangements along specific pathways” lies in recognizing that chemistry is fundamentally about electron behavior.

Question:

Isn’t even today’s AI to be considered an electron flow system in some sense?

I was addressing the misfit not your good self.

As for what you’re saying, well, respiration, metabolism … electron flow is the eventual result.

For a thing to be living, it must nonetheless do it the hard way (molecules interacting) and not just have a ready-made human flick a switch and pay bills in order for juice to keep flowing.

One way to look at it: Are living things not dead things? Seeing as they do eventually die …

“Stop attempting to do science. AI is not alive, it meets no precondition for life”

I tend to agree with this. Human brains produce thoughts as a result of metabolic processes, and so our intentionality is sensation based. We think because of entropy, because energy is being consumed, because we are hungry etc.

The difference between organic action potentials and synthetic action potentials is that the first is membrane based and, therefore, generates from metabolic effects on tissue. The synthetic is just a circuit board with a floppy disk in it. It has no ‘self’ because it can’t feel entropy, can’t age, can’t hurt, and can’t be hungry.

There’s something fancy about organic nervous systems that you can’t duplicate with circuit boards that aren’t membrane based. The very act of thinking means entropy is sucking the forz right out of you because there should be no reason at all to move or to have ionized potassium particles freaking out and zooming around in the axons. Thinking, the soul, is the atomic foam of burning calories, let’s say.

Prove it.

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