Fuck you god

The way you have set out after your moment of clarity is as an obstruction to or an obfuscation of the possibility of Gods manifestation on Earth, in life. “The almighty living God”. Why?

The Earth functions to bring about certain qualities in the soul that cant be produced in states where higher dimensions are granted. The idea here is not simply to await death. That is the medieval approach.

Nonlocal activities, telepathy and healing to begin with, are perfectly accessible here, if you weren’t born with the powers then with some training. You can also try do do some astral travel, play with time. No need to remain stuck in 3D.

Okay, but I can’t quite figure out how it will be “simultaneous.”

Anyway, who is this alleged “opponent” you spoke of in your first post to me, and in what way did I misrepresent his (her/its) position?

I find that Evelyn Underhills explanation of Mysticism helps me here:

Mysticism is the art of union with Reality. The mystic is a person who has attained that union in greater or less degree; or who aims at and believes in such attainment.

It is not expected that the inquirer will find great comfort in this sentence when first it meets his eye. The ultimate question, “What is Reality?”–a question, perhaps, which never occurred to him before–is already forming in his mind; and he knows that it will cause him infinite distress. Only a mystic can answer it: and he, in terms which other mystics alone will understand. Therefore, for the time being, the practical man may put it on one side. All that he is asked to consider now is this: that the word “union” represents not so much a rare and unimaginable operation, as something which he is doing, in a vague, imperfect fashion, at every moment of his conscious life; and doing with intensity and thoroughness in all the more valid moments of that life. We know a thing only by uniting with it; by assimilating it; by an interpenetration of it and ourselves. It gives itself to us, just in so far as we give ourselves to it; and it is because our outflow towards things is usually so perfunctory and so languid, that our comprehension of things is so perfunctory and languid too. The great Sufi who said that “Pilgrimage to the place of the wise, is to escape the flame of separation” spoke the literal truth. Wisdom is the fruit of communion; ignorance the inevitable portion of those who “keep themselves to themselves,” and stand apart, judging, analysing the things which they have never truly known.

Because he has surrendered himself to it, “united” with it, the patriot knows his country, the artist knows the subject of his art, the lover his beloved, the saint his God, in a manner which is inconceivable as well as unattainable by the looker-on. Real knowledge, since it always implies an intuitive sympathy more or less intense, is far more accurately suggested by the symbols of touch and taste than by those of hearing and sight. True, analytic thought follows swiftly upon the contact, the apprehension, the union: and we, in our muddle-headed way, have persuaded ourselves that this is the essential part of knowledge–that it is, in fact, more important to cook the hare than to catch it. But when we get rid of this illusion and go back to the more primitive activities through which our mental kitchen gets its supplies, we see that the distinction between mystic and non-mystic is not merely that between the rationalist and the dreamer, between intellect and intuition. The question which divides them is really this: What, out of the mass of material offered to it, shall consciousness seize upon–with what aspects of the universe shall it “unite”?

It is notorious that the operations of the average human consciousness unite the self, not with things as they really are, but with images, notions, aspects of things. The verb “to be,” which he uses so lightly, does not truly apply to any of the objects amongst which the practical man supposes himself to dwell. For him the hare of Reality is always ready-jugged: he conceives not the living lovely, wild, swift-moving creature which has been sacrificed in order that he may be fed on the deplorable dish which he calls “things as they really are.” So complete, indeed, is the separation of his consciousness from the facts of being, that he feels no sense of loss. He is happy enough “understanding,” garnishing, assimilating the carcass from which the principle of life and growth has been ejected, and whereof only the most digestible portions have been retained. He is not “mystical.”

But sometimes it is suggested to him that his knowledge is not quite so thorough as he supposed. Philosophers in particular have a way of pointing out its clumsy and superficial character; of demonstrating the fact that he habitually mistakes his own private sensations for qualities inherent in the mysterious objects of the external world. From those few qualities of colour, size, texture, and the rest, which his mind has been able to register and classify, he makes a label which registers the sum of his own experiences. This he knows, with this he “unites”; for it is his own creature. It is neat, flat, unchanging, with edges well defined: a thing one can trust. He forgets the existence of other conscious creatures, provided with their own standards of reality. Yet the sea as the fish feels it, the borage as the bee sees it, the intricate sounds of the hedgerow as heard by the rabbit, the impact of light on the eager face of the primrose, the landscape as known in its vastness to the wood-louse and ant–all these experiences, denied to him for ever, have just as much claim to the attribute of Being as his own partial and subjective interpretations of things.

Because mystery is horrible to us, we have agreed for the most part to live in a world of labels; to make of them the current coin of experience, and ignore their merely symbolic character, the infinite gradation of values which they misrepresent. We simply do not attempt to unite with Reality. But now and then that symbolic character is suddenly brought home to us. Some great emotion, some devastating visitation of beauty, love, or pain, lifts us to another level of consciousness; and we are aware for a moment of the difference between the neat collection of discrete objects and experiences which we call the world, and the height, the depth, the breadth of that living, growing, changing Fact, of which thought, life, and energy are parts, and in which we “live and move and have our being.” Then we realise that our whole life is enmeshed in great and living forces; terrible because unknown.

Even the power which lurks in every coalscuttle, shines in the electric lamp, pants in the motor-omnibus, declares itself in the ineffable wonders of reproduction and growth, is supersensual. We do but perceive its results. The more sacred plane of life and energy which seems to be manifested in the forces we call “spiritual” and “emotional”–in love, anguish, ecstasy, adoration–is hidden from us too. Symptoms, appearances, are all that our intellects can discern: sudden irresistible inroads from it, all that our hearts can apprehend. The material for a more intense life, a wider, sharper consciousness, a more profound understanding of our own existence, lies at our gates. But we are separated from it, we cannot assimilate it; except in abnormal moments, we hardly know that it is. We now begin to attach at least a fragmentary meaning to the statement that “mysticism is the art of union with Reality.”

Evelyn Underhill – Practical Mysticism 1914

Nice.

Bob, yours and my conversations with Sculptor remind me of a little metaphysical soap opera I created and posted on the PN forum a couple of years ago.

It deals (hopefully in an amusing manner) with the perennial debate (quarrel) between the hardcore (closed-minded) materialists, and of those who believe that there is more to reality than meets the eye (i.e., the spiritualists).

The three-episode soap opera, of which I have taken the liberty of reposting here, is titled: “Oh the Irony”


Welcome to this first episode of - “Oh the Irony” - brought to you by the makers of Remington rifles.

< cue the organ music…

In this initial episode of - “Oh the Irony” - we are listening to the unborn Swanson twins, telepathically communicating with each other while still in their mother’s womb:

  • Twin one: “I wonder what mom looks like?”

  • Twin two: “What mom? I don’t see any mom around here.”

  • Twin one: “But I can somehow sense her presence.”

  • Twin Two: “That’s just your imagination playing tricks on you. There is no mom.”

  • Twin one: “But…”

  • Twin two: “There are no buts about it. The only things that exist are the two of us, this watery substance, and that impenetrable barrier that surrounds us. So, tell me, genius, where is this mom you speak of? Prove her existence to me.”

  • Twin one: “How can I prove her existence to you?”

  • Twin two: “If this imaginary “mom” truly exists, then why doesn’t she reveal herself to us?”

  • Twin one: “I don’t know why. Perhaps she has a good reason?”

  • Twin two: “You’re insane. Again, there is no mom. Trust me because I am way smarter than you because I rely on the obvious truth and facts.”

  • Twin one: “Well, can we at least agree to disagree?”

  • Twin two: “No! You are clearly a victim of wishful thinking. Again, trust me when I say - there is no mom!!!

Tune in tomorrow for another exciting episode of - “Oh the Irony” - brought to you by the makers of Tide laundry detergent (“…for those pesky blood stains…”), and Schlitz beer…

Episode two:


Welcome back to episode two of - “Oh the Irony”

< organ music…

In this second installment of - “Oh the Irony” - we rejoin the unborn Swanson twins still carrying on their telepathic conversation in the dark and watery world of their mother’s womb…

  • Twin one: “I know you think I’m imagining things, but not only do I still believe that there exists a “mom,” but I am now starting to think that there exists a higher dimension of reality on the other side of the great barrier that surrounds us.”

  • Twin two: “What in the world are you going on about now?”

  • Twin one: “I know this’ll sound crazy, but a little while ago, I pressed my ear against the barrier, and I thought I heard a voice singing to me from the other side.”

  • Twin two: “Oh my poor little delusional sibling. How many times do I have to point out to you that logic dictates that you, and me, and this closed watery world is all there is?”

  • Twin one: “Would you please stop being so obstinate and just press your ear against the great barrier. I’m sure I can hear and sense something on the other side.”

  • Twin two: "No! I absolutely refuse to be drawn into the world of your insane delusions. Again, you idiot, there is no “mom” and there is no higher dimension of reality on the other side of the great barrier. Stop making a fool of yourself!!!"

Tune in again tomorrow for more of the quarreling Swanson twins in another exciting episode of - “Oh the Irony” - brought to you by the makers of the new THC infused (“…life is but a dream…”) Moon Pies…

“…The kids love 'em!..”

Episode three:


Welcome back to this third episode of - “Oh the Irony” - where after nine months of telepathically arguing with each other, the Swanson twins’ world is about to undergo a dramatic change…

  • Twin one: Uh-oh, there’s something strange going on…

  • Twin two: What now?

  • Twin one: Are you blind? All of that watery substance that surrounded us has drained out through that tiny opening in the all-encompassing barrier. And look, the opening seems to be a narrow tunnel leading to some kind of light.

  • Twin two: Right, and I suppose that tunnel leads to that higher dimension of reality and the invisible “mom” you mentioned a while back? You delusional idiot, how many times do I have to tell you that there is no higher dimension of reality? Now go back to sleep.

  • Twin one: You go back to sleep. I’m going to investigate that tunnel.

  • Twin two: Fine. Good luck getting your big fat head through that skinny little opening in order to investigate some silly fantasy you’ve dreamed up. I, on the other hand, being the wisest of the two of us, am staying right here where things are real. Humpff!!!,..a “tunnel leading to a light” and a nonexistent “mom.” How in the world is that knucklehead my twin?

And thus ends another episode of - “Oh the Irony” - brought to you by the makers of the morning after pill (“…because I’m just too busy enjoying the gift of life…”), and the health-conscious makers of Embassy cigarettes…


Does twin “number two” remind you of anyone on this forum?

(Btw, Swanson twin “number two” grew up to be a crotchety old grump who yells at kids to stay off his lawn. :stuck_out_tongue_winking_eye:)

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