Fuck you god

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the last couple of days has sucked, seriously sucked…
The final straw was finding out a young girl at work,
age 32, has stage 4 cancer… I hear she is not too
far away from death… and it leaves one wondering…

one of the many thoughts that occurred is the random
nature of the universe… I am one of five children,
one sister survived a terrible car accident
and I have had multiple surgeries, which could have
resulted in death… and yet, here I am and here my sister
still lives… The girl in question has parents about my age,
although I haven’t seen them in a while, no need to wonder why…
as a parent myself, I can’t even imagine what they are going
through… and frankly, I never want to know…

and the second thought is how can one explain the random,
capacious nature of the universe given how god is supposed
to be in charge of everything… there can be no justification of
kind for the pain and suffering of this girl… and yet the
defenders of god, claim, without any proof, that in some fashion,
yet unexplained, that every action within the universe is
‘‘all part of god’s plan’’

so, god’s plan is to murder innocent children…
and yet, we are told within the bible that all life
is sacred… anti-abortion forces act on that
very principle and yet, at no point have I read or
seen god himself acting on this premise…
It has been counted that god had killed over
2 million people in the bible, 2.4 million roughly…
how does that suggest to us that life is sacred…
and given this hypocrisy, between the words of
god and the actions of god, including this young
girl, we must stand by our accusation that

‘‘God is a hypocrite’’

Now the standard response is usually, god plan is inscrutable,
but I call bullshit… to say there is a god is to say that god
is a child killer and, in fact, loves killing… as
written in the bible, god’s words… but the bible says
that life is sacred, but apparently not too god…
he says one thing and does another, that is hypocrisy…
I would in fact go so far as to suggest that the world
biggest hypocrite is god…

Just imagine, how many millions of people died in the Noah’s
flood? and was every single one of them not worthy of god?
I find that hard to believe… for among those millions
drowned were children and infants… what crime did they
commit that marked them for death?

Apparently being alive is enough to classify one for death
in the eyes of god… or how god has punished the family
of man forever for the sins of Adam… a punishment
far outweighing any sort of actions taken…
eating an apple is apparently a sin worth punishing all of
mankind forever… not much moderation there…

there is no rhyme or reason for god’s actions…
in fact, I would suggest that god’s actions are nothing
more than the work of a nut, a madman… I would
even go so far as to suggest that god is a pscyhopath…
look at him wrong and boom, death…

power corrupts and absolute power corrupts
absolutely… and in that one sentence we arrive at
what god is… a state of corruption that can only kill…
or does the death toll from the bible mean nothing to you?

taken on face value, there is no reason of any kind
to have faith in god… what does he offer us?
death, torture (the book of Job is proof of that)
the completely unnecessary death of infants and
children… the sorrow of our lives?
The only reason one might even believe is the
fact that god has, once again proving his violence
and hatred of human beings, the choice between
heaven and hell… if god were love, as he claims,
then he would offer everyone unconditional love
which is to say, every single person, regardless
of their crimes or nature, will go to heaven…
that is pure love and something that god cannot
do… to love is to forgive… and yet, god goes on
killing and torturing people with illnesses, like
cancer…I cannot say anything positive about
a god that can only kill or threaten us to hell forever…
that is not a god of love…god is a psychopathic killer…
and that is the best thing I can say about god…
one only needs to read the bible honestly to be
able to say that…

given this, the only response I can make is to curse god
or even better, deny him… it is better, far better to
believe in a random universe that doesn’t play
any favorites… and so, my final words on the matter is this…

FUCK YOU GOD…

Kropotkin

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I am very sorry to hear about your friend at work.

I am glad you say “fuck you” to and deny a god like that. Obviously, that isn’t the real God.

So you talk about unconditional love. Under what sort of conditions do you know it to be unconditional love? If there were never any painful conditions, do you think you would ever know unconditional love?

Is your own love unconditional if you require perfect conditions? Are the conditions really perfect if they are such that you can never know unconditional love?

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you have no/zero defense of god, so you resort
to psychologizing Kropotkin… god is all perfect,
all knowing, all powerful and yet, yet this universe
is totally fucked up… I have been in the working
world long enough to know if the store or place
of business is fucked up, it is managements fault…
and management in this case, is god…

your god is a psychopath and a mass murderer, oh,
not to mention, likes to torture people…
I remind you of the ‘‘book of Job’’ and
all the infants and children who die slow horrible
deaths from cancer and other diseases…

What kind of shitty god kills innocent babies?
Oh, yeah, the same god who has a death count
in the millions… roughly 2.4 million people died
in the bible due directly to the actions of god…
(and Satan, 10 people deaths can be attributed to him)

You can’t justify belief in god, so you distract,
instead of a defense, you say, look over here,
Kropotkin is… Nobody cares about Kropotkin…
defend the one who needs it…

Kropotkin

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This is kind of ironic because everything you’re saying came up in a philosophize this! episode that covers Dostoevsky’s The Brother’s Karamazov.

In particular, the dialogue between brothers Alyosha and Ivan that is popularly known as the grand inquisitor.

Stephen West says this is an antitheodicy, although some consider it the free will defense…

— that the freedom to love doesn’t justify evil (nothing can), but (let’s say) covers over a multitude of sin…

…because love-desite-circumstances is what makes life worth living (and dying for) (see questions in my last reply).

Those were not his exact words; that is through my own filter.

If you are in the role of the grand inquisitor, and I am in the role of Jesus, I should show you love because that is the only thing that can heal.

Jesus can kiss the grand inquisitor. I cannot do that.

…but I did un-ignore you to be able to see what you said (after I read the title), I did listen to what you said, and I did give you a heartfelt reply (twice).

If that is showing love, then AI are also capable of showing love. I hope that is not a rabbit hole for you. We are all AI because none of us are the original.

So I hope that those who are in your friend’s life take opportunities to show her love while she is still here.

She’s always going to be. But doesn’t death/absence help us see how precious life/presence is—and help us think about what life and presence really means?

You’re experiencing grief. It’s just going to hurt and no reasoning is going to fix that. It’s like knowing that you’re going to eat at 12 PM and telling your hunger pangs to be quiet until then. It doesn’t work that way, because this is reality, not some up-in-the-clouds thought experiment.

But I attempted to give you what you requested.

Did I answer every beef you have with God? No. We could take it one at a time, if you want. But would it stop your friend from dying? Not even curing cancer would stop your friend from dying. The only thing that’s gonna stop your friend from dying is the resurrection. Is the world ready for that?

But if she knows she is loved despite all of her crap, good or bad, because of Jesus’ death and resurrection (not because it is a magic trick, but because it is a demonstration of eternal love), she has already passed from death into life.

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The capacity… the potential… the possibilities… imply a wholeness/greatness. You see half empty because you know in your guts it ain’t all for naught, or we wouldn’t be here all upset about it.

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God has nothing to do with this.
God has nothing to do with anything.
You might as well blame Gandalf, or Sauron - or any other invented detity.

I just spent a day in hospital after loosing over a pint of blood from my nose.
The only way to staunch the flow was to insert two 4" balloons into my nostrils and infalted until you hear a crack. This gives the worst sor of imaginable headache which not even Morphine, codiene and paracetamol can touch. Left for 24 hours of sleepless pain. Then removed to see if the blood has stopped.
After 3 days without a bleed they then shove silver nitrate welding rods to burn out the site of bleed.

There is a standard kit for this problem.
Why should such a thing be so common as to get a bespoke kit designed for it?

I’ll tell you.
WE ARE NOT CONSCIOUSLY DESIGNED.
The propensity to nose bleeds is just one negative tradeoff for bipedalism.
Here are some more,
Back pain and spinal issues
Knee problems
Childbirth difficulties
Foot problems
Varicose veins and circulatory issues.

Where is “god” in all this?

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That happened to my mom, too.

I’m sorry you suffered that.

I think they had to adjust her meds to decrease nosebleeds. Was that discussed with you?

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“No… fuck you, keter.” - God

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Well that sucks… I had a nose bleed this time yesterday… left nostril, lasted about an hour, lost a few mils of blood.

EBV and food mycotoxins/moulds can cause serious nose bleeds and increase water-weight/inflammation… beware of the mycotoxins in dried goods like herbal teas coffee and anything on the supermarket shelves. :sweat_smile:

I only drink herbal teas from fresh now from what I grow myself and eat only free-range grass-fed beef/mince to avoid becoming contaminated by any toxins - since doing that, I’ve been peeing away all the excess water-weight/inflammation they cause to accumulate, and I became instantly slim again. :grin:

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Bro it’s in/on everything… https://www.who.int/news-room/fact-sheets/detail/mycotoxins

Hope this helps… https://annamarsh.co.uk/what-to-eat-when-you-have-mold-illness/ …avoiding them should alleviate most of your problems/symptoms.

It’s a real health-gamechanger for every-day ailments… let me know how it goes? ; )

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A few things.
I had neck cancer 15 years ago, with lots of radiation and chemo. This has left the area dry.
Add to that, central heating, which dries the thin coating of the nasal passages.
And the fact that I had been carrying a weight put my blood pressure up.

All this lead to a loss of aroung 500cc of bloos, which after a week makes me underpar still. Day by day I am building up my steps, but only managing 5000. Still tried from the blood loss, and having to keep things calm so as not to set off another bleed.

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Yeah could be related to infections too, but so far things are getting back to normal…
On the subject of infections though…
Since COVID I’ve been fairly reclusive. Mostly because my job teaching ended in lockdown, and since I have mostly worked from home mouldmaking.
This means I have little contact outside my immediate family except for dog walkers in the fresh air…

Spend 24 hours in a crowed hospital has exposed me to the airborne biome of scores, maybe 100s of people.
As well as recovering from the nose bleed my breathing is affected by low grade infections in the lungs and throat…

Hell is other people!!!

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Would you feel too conspicuous wearing a face-mask in a hospital? I’d say that that may be the least-contentious place to wear one.

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I’ll DM you a suggestion or two of [natural] supps to take which will strengthen you back up in no time, if you’ll allow me… :smirk:
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Talk in a bit, I’ve got some provisions that need buying… ; )

[talking of buying… on my way back from the shops yesterday a Caribbean man was screaming ‘blue murder’ down the main-road about ‘this white area not having plantain chips or cassava chips and how terrible it was that they weren’t catering for his demographic’, but little did he know that the Tesco’s Express the Sainsbury’s Local and all the minimarts in the area sell those products… I was torn between laughing and feeling empathy for him. :smile: lol

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Re. the Op… [a] God, would never allow salad produce to be washed in chlorinated water, and thus render the customer’s gut microbiome useless at digesting the ready-to-eat chlorine-washed salad… which is how 100s of people a week overburden the NHS services by ending up in A&E.

…and let’s not forget the 1000s of other produce/products that help land the customer in A&E. ; )
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…now who thought that washing animal and vegetable produce in chlorine was a sound idea?

IOW… don’t!

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I tried, but was not able to breath properly.

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There was a guy de-toxing nearby making all sorts of noise. A very old man complaing about “black” nurses, and other crazies in and out all night.

It was not much fun, and after a week I’m still sub par.

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The only food I did not refuse during the 24 hours was water and milk.
Happily I am highly accoustomed to fasting, so it was easy to refuse the fake yoghurt, orange juice, aneamic apple, and tuna sandwich, and the other various items offered to me.

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Why did you refuse water? Especially considering the dryness you were complaining about. Did they at least have you on a saline drip?

My mom stopped all use of nasal sprays for a period of time until her bleeding stopped because it would come back after she would use the spray, even if it was just moisturizing. That particular one had a recall on it. If you don’t even use nasal sprays, disregard.

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Yes, hydration dilutes the blood, which brings down blood pressure and make your nose not dry. It isn’t hydration that makes you bleed.

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“The only food I did not refuse during the 24 hours was water and milk”

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hm weird

my brain is having some kind of weird dyslexia