Gender, transgender and transphobia.

poppycocks ! The only people who have to resort to changing their gender, and/or their roles, are those who can’t feel both.

Remember, Cesar was every woman’s man, and every man’s woman.

And you, besides being manly-woman, or womanly-man, seem to also be an idiotic genius, and cowardly courageous.

Ah, but if only words were enough.
Then some dufus with a thesaurus, and time on his hands, can claim the highest pinnacle in philosophy.
Then a Jew visiting Athens, or Sparta, might feel osmotic rejuvenation.

Almost as if, repeating the words, while remaining the same, would be enough.

First came the word, and the word was…?

There is no word to desribe it, …because contradictions cancel each other out, or, make one up for convenience’s sake.

Really?
So, you being a stupid genius has no word to descibe it?

I would say nihilist, or hypocrite, but I am only expressing a subjective view of you.

Having watched you for a while, I have a question…
Do you ever not try to appear smarter than what you really are?

'Cause you trying to seem smarter only makes you look dumber.
But that’s only my subjective opinion and there’s no objective standard to say if i am more right than your defensive self-flattery, which will follow.

I only hope you have azure yes, to make me blush.
Do you?
:-k

Your view of me simulates the catch 22 that my situation to You in relation, is. It’s a re confirmation of that, which I may already know. In a Catch 22 situation, all objective standards fade from azure to blue to black, into the abyss. The abyss knows no difference , therefore why try harder? It’s not an act of cowardice , it’s simply the final solution to a problem which as haunted everyone for as long as memory can trace, whether the abyss was worth escaping? Would the light be not too scortcing beyond all expectation?

Really, in my opinion, a Ghandi type silence best desribes this situation, and there is not much else.
Peaceful resistance is the price some have to pay, to allay confrontation, in a situation where adversaries, who are really not so, only think they are, match up what the think is unequal armor. I don’t believe in saber rattling, because the same catch.
look at the situation in the Middle East, look at all the analysis going into it, and see the superpowers using that theatre as would a chess game, a distraction until the next political campaign. Or is it? However, power does corrupt, and despite this fact people rise to the occasion. Power is off blind, it leads to unsupportable presumptions.

this is not meant as a mea culpa, but only one part of a mind communicating to the other part, within, or without mutuality.

Someone said we can learn from history only if it has not changed, by revision along the way, or lost meaning through various interpretations. So I don’t think we can learn from history to change it anymore, it may prove improper and counter productive. new learning , as this ,where people can actually get to know each other on at least some level, is the key to reduce the pain of disconnect.

I hope this went some distance to answer You!

Could you two possibly talk about Gender, transgender and transphobia in this thread, instead throwing random word salad at each other? Didn’t you just get done apologizing for this kind of thing, Orb? I don’t delete posts, don’t tempt me to start.

Sure, that's true as far as it goes.  Here's what I think. I think that if the SJW's were weaponizing transracial folks instead of transgender folks, then they would be saying 'blah blah blah genetic variation blah blah blood type blah blah lactose tolerance blah' in the same way that they (and you) now say 'blah blah blah hormones blah'.  In other words, the above is not science. It is making science noises in order to make what is a purely political opinion sound like something more than it is.  If they were weaponizing the otherkin, then they would be saying "historical precendent for shamanism blah blah blah deep ecology blah blah Jungian blah". So they'd be making anthropology noises. Separating science from science-noises is important. 

Like I think I said before, if some dude wishes he was a woman because he wants to screw the IRS or he’s a special kind of fag or whatever, then he’s no different than that guy who wanted to look like Red Skull or that guy who wanted to look like a tiger and there’s no reason to treat them any differently. YOU are the one that started this thread with the idea that these ‘transgendered’ people are a special kind of person that we need to consider the ‘rights’ of and deal with as though they are some sort of ‘problem’. You’re the one that is saying their desires are justified on some quasi physiological level that makes them different from people who wish they were dragons or elves or Japanese. I don’t think people who want to be something they aren’t are delusional. I think people who want it so bad that they can’t function without killing/maiming themselves are mentally ill, and that ‘curing’ them through surgery
1.) has no evidence that it actually makes them happier, and
2.) Is a politically motivated thing that we absolutely do not do in relevantly similar situations. The state is not going to pay your healthcare costs to make you look like a black person no matter how much you feel like a ‘brother’ in your heart.

I suspect the vast majority of these people have no such hormone imbalance requiring any kind of treatment. I suspect that ‘people desperately to be something they actually aren’t’ is a common problem with a problem cause- so the people who think they are dragons, the people who think they are Japanese (but aren’t) the people who think they are elves, and the men who think they are women are fundamentally the same, and treating it like a gender issue is barking up the wrong tree. Sort of like how people with addictive personalities are a common problem- the gambling addict and the sex addict aren’t really completely different creatures, I wouldn’t suppose.

THEY proclaim trannies crazy because they need to diagnose them as mentally ill in order to justify the State paying for their surgeries. But you are right. Just because they say the same thing I do doesn’t mean they will like it when I say it, because I use the same statement to draw other ultimate conclusions. Just like how conservatives were saying decades ago that homosexuality and incest are morally equivalent. Plenty of social marxists are saying it now…because homosexuality is taken for granted as ok, so it’s alright to push for incest.

Sorry.

races have characteristics. it’s why black people, are black. its the same reason white people are snobby and pedantic. if races all had the same characteristics, there would be no such thing as race. truth is you sound like one of those pedantic politically correct white hipsters.

truth is most of the population is mentally ill.

[b]Schizotypoid Personality Disorder. Indicated primarily by a split with reality, and with the following symptoms:

Desires emotional relationships with others, and tends to selfishly impose themselves on those around them.
Tends towards group activities, seeking affirmation by others, and has little feeling of self-worth.
Has obsessive interest in sexual and/or emotional contact with others, but avoids all deeper, spiritual connection.
Overriding tendency towards fantasy.
Seeks vain enjoyment in all manner of activities, but rarely achieves any satisfaction.
Tends to have lots of friends, but lacks any truly caring, understanding relationships.
Obsessive interest in the praise or criticism of others. Takes great care in physical appearance and fashion.
Shows emotional lack of control, irrational attachment, and exaggerated affectivity.
Tendency to blindly follow authorities, whom they create.[/b]
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this would describe the majority of the population, not just transwomen. transwomen actually have less of these symptoms than the average jo.

now enough with you. begone i say.

I don’t care what you think about anything.

hmm, that line was said by will smith in the movie hancock, while he is laying dying bleeding.