“Let’s not think about the future of civilization or the future generations of people whatsoever because everything revolves around our short sighted instant gratification towards everything.” -Liberalism
It strikes yet again.
Reproduction is life and the opposite is death.
A healthy society is life affirming but for whatever reason our entire current culture is obsessed with death.
Hi MrAuthoritarian. I don’t agree with the first part of your statement. Reproduction is the propagation and emergence of life, but the opposite of this is not death, unless reproduction ceases indefinitely, which is not a scenario that is emerging from homosexuality in our society. Every human would have to become homosexual and non-reproductive simultaneously, and that is obviously not happening.
However, I do agree with the second part of your statement, and it highlights a sad reality.
Demographic disruptions in terms of population can mean the death of whole entire societies, civilizations, and nations though.
Only if they are unwilling, or unable to adapt. It is much easier to alter societal structure and norms than to oppose natural progression and deviation. As originally stated, society in its current form will be heavily affected by fluctuations in population, but that is because society relies on consistent growth and expansion, and has no contingency plan in the event of either not being realisable. I would argue, that is a problem inherent in our society, and not one directly caused by gay people.
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MrAuthoritarian:
Reproduction is life and the opposite is death.
A healthy society is life affirming but for whatever reason our entire current culture is obsessed with death.
K: actually, that is the ‘‘old’’ way of thinking… the fact of
the matter is that we have an unstainable amount of people
on earth… too many people, and we are approaching that,
point, which means that without some massive changes, we shall
collapse due to the sheer number of people and the limited
number of resources for those people…
our society will fail sooner from too many people than
not enough people…
and as far as the ‘‘obsession’’ with death, that is a religious thing…
think of the various religions, such as Christianity and Buddhism,
for example, and a huge part of both religions is this ‘‘obsession’’
with death… as an atheist, I don’t concern myself with death
for the simple reason I have no control over it… it is just
another part of life, like puberty and old age, and there is
nothing I/we can do about it…
and as we have had a couple of different people pass away
over the last month, it is a topic that there has been some
talk about lately in my household…
Kropotkin
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I am certainly not blaming everything on gay people, just saying it is a bit alarming when a majority of the young people seemingly become gay overnight.
Likewise, if half the population becomes gay what are they adapting to in the environment?
What is the evolutionary pressure making people gay?
Again, reproduction is life in society, anything opposite or in opposition to reproduction is death.
I don’t believe you are, and I think your observations are valid, I’ve had them myself.
What is the evolutionary pressure making a rhinoceros beetle’s horns grow larger? Or a peacocks tail so flamboyant? Or even a virus that destroys the host?
Evolution rolls dice. Like in a game of Yahtzee, desirable results are sustained, undesirable ones discarded. Perhaps the evolutionary pressure in this case is because humans no longer need to depend on biological adaptation so much, because they have unprecedented power over their environment, and now the species has proliferated to a point that it would actually be counter-productive for it to continue to multiply at its current rate. Unchecked proliferation is just as hazardous to a species as the lack of it, resources will simply run low or run out at some point, then reproduction will slow to a crawl as a result regardless.
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I would argue that overpopulation is a myth where outside of the continent of Africa it isn’t real.
There’s a massive die off of the older generations getting ready to take place here in the west where without sufficient population replacement is going to have negative consequences for western societies.
At least, that’s where I see things going into the future where large segments of the younger population being homosexual isn’t helpful to the overall situation.
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I have said elsewhere and I still do firmly believe this, homosexuals have been around for thousands of years since the beginning of human civilization.
Political and religious movements have tried purging or persecuting homosexuals repeatedly all throughout history where it doesn’t work.
So, whether we like homosexuals or not they’re a constant of human history it would seem.
In this thread my alarm is the number and frequency of homosexuality, if the majority of human civilization ever was to become homosexual that in no way would ever be sustaining long term.
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I would argue that eight billion (and increasing) relatively large animals spread across the planet is a very unusual turn of events, completely unprecedented in nature, and is a result of shaping our own environment, and using ingenuity to adapt to several different ones. The problems you highlight are societal, where the impact will be felt the most, without a doubt, but I think we should show more trust in nature, which has aeons of experience in the matter, and adjust our societal expectations and paradigms, which in modern times, are purely of our own devising.
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I do think it is also a product of the zeitgeist. The emergence of the internet has thrown us all together, practically globally, and now our individuality is threatened like never before. Previously, someone who lived in a physical community, was at least distinct from others, and was referred to through the lens of that distinction. Now people have to go looking for ways to become more distinct, and ironically choose the nearest bandwagon that they feel makes them different, and distinct, even though countless others are already on it..
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Seems like it is increasing now but as I alluded to earlier the elder generations are going to die off which is going to shed that number down tremendously. I don’t believe human overpopulation is that much of a problem as it is made out to be, but corporations and the powerful love the concept because then discussions of reducing large numbers of people becomes the solution. Reducing the undesirable, extremely problematic, and so on.
Yes, having trust in nature is wise but also understanding human reasoning is just another form of nature endowed upon us in mental form. We have human reasoning to deal with human problems that are societal.
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Corporations don’t want the population to fall for any reason. It’s the cow that gives good milk, they aren’t going to shoot it, believe me. Characters like Elon Musk confirm this with their doomsday predictions of population collapse, but what he’s worried about collapsing is his bottom line. Also he predicted that his cars would be able to competently drive themselves.. next year.. or the next..
They threaten to abandon countries that have unions or strict consumer laws, but they almost never do. They would rather stay and make less, than leave and make nothing.
Human reasoning exists separate from nature now, and is largely a product of society itself, and is practically forced to remain within that framework. The potentially available solutions to societal problems are limited by this “sensibility”, and true objectivity is difficult from inside a subjective system that resists being altered in any fundamental way, especially by those who greatly benefit from its current mode of operation.
I know this though, if we don’t get our act together and start sobering up, then our short time on this planet will be a footnote in its history. The planet will carry on just fine, but we will have destroyed ourselves through sheer ignorance, stubbornness and ultimately, stupidity. We can’t blame evolution for that..
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Because idiots follow trends and flock like sheep, herd mentality.
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If for whatever reason society became 60% homosexual in the future where hardly anybody at all reproduced anymore I wonder if these liberals would even notice or find any alarm in it whatsoever.
Could we then say it is harmful for society as a whole, or would they tolerate it even still?
At what point does tolerance become self defeating and a weapon waged against a completely pacified population?
It’s not entirely clear what a proper society’s population number is supposed to be, is it?
Or do you mean to imply something like “a proper society includes heterosexual individuals who (should) all want to reproduce”?
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A healthy society is life affirming supporting an environment that is pro-life and where heterosexual reproduction is supported at the community level.
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