How is hiding behind innocent people is worse than indiscriminately bombing innocent people over and over? In any case, if it is, than self doesn’t equal other.
no one is doing that in this scenario except those who launch missiles across Israel’s border and actually target innocent people October 7 and still hold hostages to this day
There isn’t anything indiscriminate about what they’re doing. They discriminately hide amongst innocent people.
Like wolves. Amongst sheep. In their clothing.
When the Israelis bomb hospitals and schools where children and patients who are not in the Hamas are they are indiscriminately bombing innocent people too. Again you violate your self=other principle. You don’t view others equally. You have one standard for Israelis and a different standard for others in the middle east. I attribute this to Christian Zionism.
In the USA there are more Christian Zionists than there are Jews who support Zionism. Hence, the political power of the Israel lobby in America.
I appreciate that Christ pulled you out of the mud as you said elsewhere. But, the fundamentalist interpretation that you base your Zionism on is an ideological one that is superimposed on the Bible. They support Israel unconditionally because they believe 1) that God himself gave them the “land of Canaan and 2) the Jerusalem temple must be restored to to fulfill prophesy before Jesus can return to bring in the kingdom. And of course they believe that the battle of Armeggedon must take place. If America supports Israeli aggression unconditionally, it could actually help eventuate a third world war. Jesus said, “Blessed are the peacemakers.”, but many who call themselves Christians don’t follow his teachings. Pray and work for peace, Ichthus, and you will be blessed.
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Israel doesn’t bomb hospitals … Israel bombs Hamas … Hamas hides in hospitals.
If Hamas (Iran) didn’t want Israel to bomb hospitals, Hamas (Iran) wouldn’t hide in hospitals & launch their attacks from them & from tunnels under UN schools.
It is the evil villains in the movie who blame the good guys for the villain’s evil deeds. “You made me launch this attack from a hospital.” “Look what you did when I was launching an attack from a school.”
Considering the many times Jews fled Christian fanatics and were protected by Muslims, it is evident that the Israeli conflict arose because “Christian” nations ruled over Palestine and allowed extremist groups to take their land from the locals. Indeed, there were periods throughout history, particularly during the medieval era, when Muslim rulers offered protection to Jewish communities fleeing persecution in Christian Europe. For example, during the Spanish Inquisition and Crusades, Jewish people often found refuge in Muslim lands, where relations between Jews and Muslims were relatively harmonious compared to their experiences in Christian territories.
The modern Israeli-Palestinian conflict is deeply intertwined with colonial history, especially British and French mandates over the Middle East, as well as the aftermath of World War II. The role of Western Christian nations in shaping Middle Eastern geopolitics, through both colonial interventions and support for Zionist movements, certainly had a significant impact on the emergence of tensions.
It’s reasonable to argue that Western involvement in the creation of Israel—and the subsequent displacement of Palestinians—contributed to the rise of resentment and resistance movements. Many Arab and Muslim groups saw this as another instance of imperialist encroachment on their sovereignty, feeding into wider anti-Western sentiment that sometimes manifests as extremism. This doesn’t absolve any party of responsibility for acts of violence, but it contextualises the development of certain ideologies as reactions to broader historical injustices.
In this view, Muslim extremism, particularly as it relates to the Israeli-Palestinian conflict, could be interpreted as part of a larger resistance to colonial and neo-colonial powers, often led by Western Christian-majority nations. The narrative of unprovoked aggression often erases this deeper context of foreign interference, economic exploitation, and the violation of indigenous sovereignty.
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This posting is in response to Ichthus’ denial of the facts on the ground of the war in Gaza.
Gaza war: ‘Direct hits’ on more than 200 schools since Israeli bombing began
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A young girl walks through destroyed streets in Khan Younis, in the southern Gaza Strip.
27 March 2024 Peace and Security
The intense Israeli bombardment of Gaza in response to Hamas-led terror attacks in Israel has included “direct hits” on 212 schools in the enclave, UN-partnered analysis indicated on Wednesday.
Satellite imagery pointed to at least 53 schools “totally destroyed” since conflict erupted on 7 October 2023 and a near nine per cent increase in attacks on school premises since mid-February, according to a report by the UN Children’s Fund, (UNICEF) and NGOs the Education Cluster and Save The Children.
The “high trend of attacks on school facilities” has worsened the already dire humanitarian situation in Gaza, the report’s authors noted, amid “intense Israeli bombardment from air, land, and sea across much of the Gaza Strip”.
Widespread destruction
Of the 563 school buildings in Gaza, 165 of the 212 that received a direct hit are in areas designated for evacuation by the Israeli military. Data indicates that 62 schools were directly targeted in southern Khan Younis governorate, 14 in the Middle Area governorate, 94 in Gaza governorate, and 42 in North Gaza governorate – which is the most severely affected area to date, with 86.2 per cent of school buildings either directly hit or damaged.
More than one in two school premises run by the UN agency for Palestinian refugees, UNRWA have also been hit (57 per cent) since 7 October, according to the report, along with Government buildings targeted by Israeli shelling or during the ground operation.
“No education is happening in Gaza at all for nearly six months,” UNRWA said on Wednesday, upon publication of the UN-partnered report, which pointed to more than 625,00 students and 22,000 teachers attending school before 7 October.
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Damage to Al Manama Basic Boys School, Gaza.
Israeli military in schools
Additional findings derived from the satellite imagery and other sources “provide evidence for military use of schools” by Israeli Security Forces (ISF) “since the beginning of the escalation”.
This includes “several concerning reports, pictures and videos showing that schools are being used for military operations by ISF, including use as detention, interrogation centres and military bases”. Satellite pictures in the report also showed military tanks, their tracks and craters from shelling in school premises in February.
The UN-backed report also noted that more than 320 school buildings have been used by displaced people as shelters since the 7 October escalation. Of these facilities, 188 have been either directly hit (90) or damaged (98).
Once conflict ends, at least 67 per cent of schools in Gaza “will either need full reconstruction or major rehabilitation work to be functional again” the report’s authors maintained.
Hey Itchy, if u could go ahead and draw us up a venn diagram for what Bob just posted, that would be great.
“I appreciate that Christ pulled you out of the mud as you said elsewhere.”
“Christ” doesn’t pull anybody out of the mud… it just puts em in a different kind of mud. Typically the person experiences some kind of personal tragedy that breaks em down, or the sight of the world and its nonsense becomes overwhelming for them so they disengage from it. The result is an internalized bitterness and passive-aggressiveness. An impotence that both enrages and digusts, coupled with brooding envy of anyone who isn’t broken like they are. Nietzsche explains all this brilliantly when he puts the christian in a petri dish for examination.
They really are dreadfully morbid creatures, and there hasn’t been a neurosis quite like it in the history of the world.
The other kind is the fake christian sociopath type (like the cult leaders) that pose as, and use, christianity as a tool to brainwash and control others. This type isn’t broken like the former type. Clever, but not broken.
Christians (self included) have done a lot of stupid stuff, or people who call themselves Christians. If it violated self=other they/we are going to have to answer for that & make it whole—here & hereafter, if there’s any justice in the world.
Well look around you. Look at who has all the power and who doesn’t. Self does not equal other in this world. Do you think anyone’s going to hold anyone truly accountable in this world?
If we did, we never would’ve done prisoner exchanges with Iran (or Russia) and let them accumulate uranium. Etc, etc, etc. ad infinitum.
What a friggin unfunny joke.
I have an idea. Let’s start over. Wipe the slate clean. Step behind the veil of ignorance and pretend every person on the planet is equal regardless of race, creed, gender, and all that other divisive bull crap. everybody starts out on equal footing. All property and assets are thrown into the global pot. Responsibility is tasked out to those with the skills to handle it. If they were doing well before they can keep doing well at those responsibilities. But wealth is going to be distributed from the ground up to make sure everyone has their basic needs met. After that, those who are going to keep doing the responsibilities they were doing well before are going to be given the resources to do it. Those who were sitting on their butts all day letting everybody else do the work are going to have their basic essentials met. Nothing more. But only the first month. After that if they don’t have a job they’re gonna starve.
No one is going to be allowed to accumulate so much wealth that it gives them an advantage over other people that makes them treat them as “less than”. If they treat people as “less than” they get their money or influence taken away.
Sigh. We just gotta make sure we’re doing that in our own sphere for now.
Until then… We have to defend those who are bullied against those who hide amongst innocent school children & infirm patients. Not BLAME those who empty the schools and hospitals of the bullies.
The song that never ends?
Or maybe Nietzsche was merely projecting his own Christian experience on Christianity as a whole. After all to suppose that the 2000 year experience of millions of people is encapsulated in its essence in the philosophy of a single individual is a stretch. His expertise on envy and ressentiment was based on his own ample experiences of the phenomena. The delusions of grandeur that resulted for him were textbook examples of compensatory psychosis. This is not to dismiss his criticisms of Christianity, just to say there is more to it than that. Unfortunately, Nietzsche was too isolated and went mad before he could accommodate a thorough critical view of his theory.
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Amazing that you can ignore the documented fact that again and again when the Israelis bomb Gazan schools and hospitals they kill the children the bullies are bullying along with the bullies.
Why Israel is in deep trouble: John Mearsheimer
“Or maybe Nietzsche was merely projecting his own Christian experience on Christianity as a whole.”
Did u know there was actually a foreword Fritz added to The Antichrist 48 hours before he completed it, that was later removed? Check it out:
https://youtube.com/clip/UgkxVCwbLBE9rHJ8JN7u30J1wY3w_bUyzjYY
So they should do nothing and let Hamas (Iran) just continue on and on and on and on and on?
What they (the jews) do is pack their shit and move to the UK, the country that muscled em into the middle east against the Palestinian people’s consent. That’s what they do.
Maybe that’s what the Americans should do, too?
Let’s give the land back to the Canaanites & the Jews/Hebrews get their asses back to Ur. Let’s give the land back to the indigenous peoples everywhere & make all colonizers go back where they came from.
Yeah, let’s all just cram back into Africa! Assuming that is in fact where it all began.
I’m ready.
Ah, so it is okay for migrants to take land from natives by force? If so, what’s the problem with Hamas? They’re doing just that (or taking land back, rather).
Do you think that’s what I actually said? I obviously need to communicate more clearly.
Arabs and Jews have been coexisting peacefully in Israel for a long time. Hamas/Iran is the one who invited this war on October 7.
Search ‘israeli oppression of Palestinians’ on youtube and pick one of the 472 videos available. U can even tell yourself 471 of em are propaganda if it makes the koolaid you’re drinking taste better. But there will still be one video that isn’t propaganda, and one is enough.